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I mean, they would cut your balls off (castration) just to qualify you for unpaid labor in the old world. > modafinil Militaries once issued coca, while opium

I mean, they would cut your balls off (castration) just to qualify you for unpaid labor in the old world. > modafinil Militaries once issued coca, while opium was sold at markets as recently as the 1930s (over-the-counter). Across the board it seems like things were rougher and cruder “back then” whenever ever back then was. They had more freedom in other ways.

cwmoore 2mo ago
There are a few million people in jail and supervision in the USA, offloading the crudity and performing the work of incentivizing conformity, at slave wages as we speak.
- cyanregiment 2mo ago
  What was imprisonment like in 1920? 1320? What year were the Mayans rolling heads down staircases? I’ll take now
  - folkrav 2mo ago
    “Things can’t be bad now cause they were bad before”
    - cyanregiment 2mo ago
      "Things can't be good now cause they were good before"
      - freak42 2mo ago
        That doesn't work.
      - folkrav 2mo ago
        I didn’t make the comparison in the first place.
    - cwmoore 2mo ago
      Sure, or “things can’t be better because they were worse”
  - cwmoore 2mo ago
    You don’t have a choice about that, and it isn’t a history race. I’m just suggesting a world where jails and prisons are literally replaced with batteries and datacenters. It’s a medieval institution at best.
DrewADesign 2mo ago
> I mean, they would cut your balls off (castration) just to qualify you for unpaid labor in the old world. And they would kill slaves right here in the new world. Neither of those things is representative of farming as labor — it represents specific moral bankruptcies in those societies. There are plenty of small to medium sized farms where I live, and neither of those principles has applied to them for nearly 400 years, at least.
- cindyllm 2mo ago
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- cyanregiment 2mo ago
  Right, somewhere between the Crusades/Inquisitions (plural, cross-regional) and the Atlantic Slave Trade was the moral peak of humanity - is that the take? Even on a quaint farm in the south of France the punishment for a servant disobeying their master was a lot worse than getting laid off with severance - one might say severance had a different meaning.
  - DrewADesign 2mo ago
    > Right, somewhere between the Crusades/Inquisitions (plural, cross-regional) and the Atlantic Slave Trade was the moral peak of humanity - is that the take? … what? No. I’m saying that none of these societal tyrannies has anything to do with being a self-operated farm owner now.
    - cyanregiment 2mo ago
      Oh I thought you said for 400+ years (small) farming has been as ethical as it is now. I understand that you're saying: > [slavery] is not representative of farming as labor But I disagree, since it clearly has been. Military, prison, servitude, employment, even the tyranny of "the man of the house" - all these hierarchical authoritarian social structures (whether or not they were ever noble or righteous, or useful) have improved ethically over time in the lives of those subjected to the violence of these systems - the conditions used to be a lot worse, across the board. Labor is not solved in terms of ethics, but it's a lot better now.

cwmoore 2mo ago

There are a few million people in jail and supervision in the USA, offloading the crudity and performing the work of incentivizing conformity, at slave wages as we speak.

cyanregiment 2mo ago
What was imprisonment like in 1920? 1320? What year were the Mayans rolling heads down staircases? I’ll take now
- folkrav 2mo ago
  “Things can’t be bad now cause they were bad before”
  - cyanregiment 2mo ago
    "Things can't be good now cause they were good before"
    - freak42 2mo ago
      That doesn't work.
    - folkrav 2mo ago
      I didn’t make the comparison in the first place.
  - cwmoore 2mo ago
    Sure, or “things can’t be better because they were worse”
- cwmoore 2mo ago
  You don’t have a choice about that, and it isn’t a history race. I’m just suggesting a world where jails and prisons are literally replaced with batteries and datacenters. It’s a medieval institution at best.

DrewADesign 2mo ago

> I mean, they would cut your balls off (castration) just to qualify you for unpaid labor in the old world. And they would kill slaves right here in the new world. Neither of those things is representative of farming as labor — it represents specific moral bankruptcies in those societies. There are plenty of small to medium sized farms where I live, and neither of those principles has applied to them for nearly 400 years, at least.

cindyllm 2mo ago
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cyanregiment 2mo ago
Right, somewhere between the Crusades/Inquisitions (plural, cross-regional) and the Atlantic Slave Trade was the moral peak of humanity - is that the take? Even on a quaint farm in the south of France the punishment for a servant disobeying their master was a lot worse than getting laid off with severance - one might say severance had a different meaning.
- DrewADesign 2mo ago
  > Right, somewhere between the Crusades/Inquisitions (plural, cross-regional) and the Atlantic Slave Trade was the moral peak of humanity - is that the take? … what? No. I’m saying that none of these societal tyrannies has anything to do with being a self-operated farm owner now.
  - cyanregiment 2mo ago
    Oh I thought you said for 400+ years (small) farming has been as ethical as it is now. I understand that you're saying: > [slavery] is not representative of farming as labor But I disagree, since it clearly has been. Military, prison, servitude, employment, even the tyranny of "the man of the house" - all these hierarchical authoritarian social structures (whether or not they were ever noble or righteous, or useful) have improved ethically over time in the lives of those subjected to the violence of these systems - the conditions used to be a lot worse, across the board. Labor is not solved in terms of ethics, but it's a lot better now.