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"AI has dramatically accelerated the path to a first working version. It has not shortened the distance between a first working version and something production

by smckk 2mo ago

"AI has dramatically accelerated the path to a first working version. It has not shortened the distance between a first working version and something production-grade." - Anuradha Weeraman

emoII 2mo ago
I actually agree but what even is ”production grade”? More complexity and excessive fault handling? Nah, happy path coding ftw. Production grade software = collective understanding of the system imo
- 9rx 2mo ago
  "Production-grade" typically means something that has been battle tested by users and has gone through all the trials and tribulations of dealing with their complains, suggestions, and other feedback to see an initial vision (the prototype) become what users actually want and need. The earlier quote might be slightly overblown as some of those complaints, suggestions, and feedback can be iterated on more quickly thanks to AI. However, I think you will find that the overall premise is sound: The feedback loop is where you will spend the vast majority of your time and no coding agent can speed that up. Code was never the real bottleneck. A full-day coding session now being a 15 minute coding session helps, every so slightly, but when you still need to spend weeks talking to the users to figure out what needs to be done in that day/15 minutes, shaving off a handful of hours relative to weeks remains but a drop in the bucket. The marginal improvement is barely worth recognizing.
xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
Uhh yes it has
- rtdq 2mo ago
  Why?
- tovej 2mo ago
  Nuh-uh (please use your words to construct a full argument)
  - xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
    The parent comment didn't. Why should I? Surely, if AI can reduce the time from 0 to N by 10x, the time from N to full product is also significantly reduced? Its up to the parent comment to properly disprove that, not for me to prove it.
    - Planktonne 2mo ago
      > if AI can reduce the time from 0 to N by 10x, the time from N to full product is also significantly reduced Only if you assume that progress is entirely one-dimensional and there are never any trade-offs. We know both those assumptions are incorrect. An extreme example: leaping out of my office window gets me down to the ground much faster than taking the stairs. Because of recovery time, it does not at all speed my journey home from work.
      - skeledrew 2mo ago
        But if there's a slide outside that window then you have a fun, swift and safe decent.
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Jyaif 2mo ago
Of course it did, what the heck is this guy smoking?

by smckk 2mo ago

"AI has dramatically accelerated the path to a first working version. It has not shortened the distance between a first working version and something production-grade." - Anuradha Weeraman

emoII 2mo ago

I actually agree but what even is ”production grade”? More complexity and excessive fault handling? Nah, happy path coding ftw. Production grade software = collective understanding of the system imo

9rx 2mo ago
"Production-grade" typically means something that has been battle tested by users and has gone through all the trials and tribulations of dealing with their complains, suggestions, and other feedback to see an initial vision (the prototype) become what users actually want and need. The earlier quote might be slightly overblown as some of those complaints, suggestions, and feedback can be iterated on more quickly thanks to AI. However, I think you will find that the overall premise is sound: The feedback loop is where you will spend the vast majority of your time and no coding agent can speed that up. Code was never the real bottleneck. A full-day coding session now being a 15 minute coding session helps, every so slightly, but when you still need to spend weeks talking to the users to figure out what needs to be done in that day/15 minutes, shaving off a handful of hours relative to weeks remains but a drop in the bucket. The marginal improvement is barely worth recognizing.

xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago

Uhh yes it has

rtdq 2mo ago
Why?
tovej 2mo ago
Nuh-uh (please use your words to construct a full argument)
- xyzsparetimexyz 2mo ago
  The parent comment didn't. Why should I? Surely, if AI can reduce the time from 0 to N by 10x, the time from N to full product is also significantly reduced? Its up to the parent comment to properly disprove that, not for me to prove it.
  - Planktonne 2mo ago
    > if AI can reduce the time from 0 to N by 10x, the time from N to full product is also significantly reduced Only if you assume that progress is entirely one-dimensional and there are never any trade-offs. We know both those assumptions are incorrect. An extreme example: leaping out of my office window gets me down to the ground much faster than taking the stairs. Because of recovery time, it does not at all speed my journey home from work.
    - skeledrew 2mo ago
      But if there's a slide outside that window then you have a fun, swift and safe decent.

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Jyaif 2mo ago

Of course it did, what the heck is this guy smoking?