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It's like a basic Kindle. Or Ryanair. Between this, the proprietary nut patent, and the heated seat subscription, I'm probably not going to look at BMW for my

It's like a basic Kindle. Or Ryanair. Between this, the proprietary nut patent, and the heated seat subscription, I'm probably not going to look at BMW for my next car. They've been going back on things, but all of this adds up to they don't get it.

mplewis 2mo ago
No, it's obviously not like that.
riffraff 2mo ago
Ryanair is the epitome of "cheap with compromise" which is the opposite of the BMW brand. And kindle basic gets advertising as a known feature at buying time. Pushing advertisment after sale on a premium product is absolutely not similar.
- Barbing 2mo ago
  I had to edit my comment saying it might not have been a fair comparison because I realized they might’ve just been dissing BMW pretty hard. ‘Enjoy your “luxury“ car’, the kind of “luxury“ that appeals to subsidized e-reader buyers and discount airline customers. And I like that. If BMW can’t resist monetizing their customers’ attention, they don’t deserve the higher-end customers their marketing suggests they desire.
- dylan604 2mo ago
  Which was the straw that broke the camel's back to cancel Prime
  - riffraff 2mo ago
    I'm heading the same direction, for the same reason. Fuck amazon and their bait&switch.
2muchcoffeeman 2mo ago
A BMW is like a flagship smart phone. It looks like luxury, but everyone has them.
- Barbing 2mo ago
  Are you including people who own older BMWs? They look like really great deals on the used market. Just don’t check the five-year total cost of ownership. If it’s not new, it’s gonna cost you in the shop. Maybe every year or so. Also I think everyone in our social circles have flagship phones but $50 Android pre-paids sell pretty well. (Someone probably knows, unlike me, the exact numbers.)
- ponector 2mo ago
  Because it's a premium product, not a luxury.
Barbing 2mo ago
>basic Kindle Praise be to AdBreak https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/AdBreak https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/AdBreak I practically own it now! Ryanair: can’t recall if they’re worse than Spirit/Frontier. “We have one price for tiny people flying with the shirt on their back, and other prices for everyone else like those who might need luggage, or, liquid to survive.“
beAbU 2mo ago
How can you put Ryanair and BMW in the same category? Ryanair's whole shtick is "we'll treat you like cattle in a truck, and you'll be grateful you only paid €20 for the experience". I feel that anyone who is outraged by their nickel-and-diming doesn't really understand what Ryanair is about. If I paid €200 for a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam, and they forced me to watch ads on the seatback screen and charged me to use the loo, then I'll be rightfully upset. But €50 for Ryanair? Where do I sign up for the €20 standing-only tickets?
- nly 2mo ago
  The problem is a lot of people book Ryanair thinking they're going to save money and end up sucked in to these dark patterns. I once flew from London Stansted (or maybe it was Luton?) to Dublin instead of from Heathrow with Aer Lingus to save a few bucks, and it never ended up saving me anything in the end. With Aer Lingus the cheapest ticket includes 10kg of checked luggage, which is a nice middle ground between a tiny bag you can shove under your seat and a 23kg luggage And Ryanair are not even cheaper most of the time unless you're prepared to fly at unsocialable times and forgo luggage. Ryanair even seem to deliberately separate seats for adult passengers on the same booking so they can charge you extra to sit together...

mplewis 2mo ago

No, it's obviously not like that.

riffraff 2mo ago

Ryanair is the epitome of "cheap with compromise" which is the opposite of the BMW brand. And kindle basic gets advertising as a known feature at buying time. Pushing advertisment after sale on a premium product is absolutely not similar.

Barbing 2mo ago
I had to edit my comment saying it might not have been a fair comparison because I realized they might’ve just been dissing BMW pretty hard. ‘Enjoy your “luxury“ car’, the kind of “luxury“ that appeals to subsidized e-reader buyers and discount airline customers. And I like that. If BMW can’t resist monetizing their customers’ attention, they don’t deserve the higher-end customers their marketing suggests they desire.
dylan604 2mo ago
Which was the straw that broke the camel's back to cancel Prime
- riffraff 2mo ago
  I'm heading the same direction, for the same reason. Fuck amazon and their bait&switch.

2muchcoffeeman 2mo ago

A BMW is like a flagship smart phone. It looks like luxury, but everyone has them.

Barbing 2mo ago
Are you including people who own older BMWs? They look like really great deals on the used market. Just don’t check the five-year total cost of ownership. If it’s not new, it’s gonna cost you in the shop. Maybe every year or so. Also I think everyone in our social circles have flagship phones but $50 Android pre-paids sell pretty well. (Someone probably knows, unlike me, the exact numbers.)
ponector 2mo ago
Because it's a premium product, not a luxury.

Barbing 2mo ago

>basic Kindle Praise be to AdBreak https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/AdBreak https://kindlemodding.org/jailbreaking/AdBreak I practically own it now! Ryanair: can’t recall if they’re worse than Spirit/Frontier. “We have one price for tiny people flying with the shirt on their back, and other prices for everyone else like those who might need luggage, or, liquid to survive.“

beAbU 2mo ago

How can you put Ryanair and BMW in the same category? Ryanair's whole shtick is "we'll treat you like cattle in a truck, and you'll be grateful you only paid €20 for the experience". I feel that anyone who is outraged by their nickel-and-diming doesn't really understand what Ryanair is about. If I paid €200 for a flight from Dublin to Amsterdam, and they forced me to watch ads on the seatback screen and charged me to use the loo, then I'll be rightfully upset. But €50 for Ryanair? Where do I sign up for the €20 standing-only tickets?

nly 2mo ago
The problem is a lot of people book Ryanair thinking they're going to save money and end up sucked in to these dark patterns. I once flew from London Stansted (or maybe it was Luton?) to Dublin instead of from Heathrow with Aer Lingus to save a few bucks, and it never ended up saving me anything in the end. With Aer Lingus the cheapest ticket includes 10kg of checked luggage, which is a nice middle ground between a tiny bag you can shove under your seat and a 23kg luggage And Ryanair are not even cheaper most of the time unless you're prepared to fly at unsocialable times and forgo luggage. Ryanair even seem to deliberately separate seats for adult passengers on the same booking so they can charge you extra to sit together...