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A large proportion of degrees awarded today are not useful for any practical application. But having a degree of some kind still serves as a signaling mechanis

A large proportion of degrees awarded today are not useful for any practical application. But having a degree of some kind still serves as a signaling mechanism, demonstrating lots of things including the ability to "play the game". to follow instructions, and so forth.

zarzavat 2mo ago
If I were 18 I'd be sceptical about the value of degrees compared to the value of trades. Yes degrees are a prerequisite for white collar jobs but if there is competition for ever fewer white collar jobs that's a life gamble perhaps not worth taking unless you are supremely confident in your abilities in a field. If we're being honest, the value of a degree has been in decline for a long time. It was only being held up by STEM and even that is on shaky ground now. The days when an e.g. English degree would open doors are long over.
- ConceptJunkie 2mo ago
  There's going to be a huge realignment in white collar work in the next decade or two, and then there's the fact that college degrees themselves (except for maybe STEM), are becoming less and less valuable because higher education is so politicized and taken over by nonsense. My college education (Computer Science, 1987) served me very well over my career, but I don't know what I'd be doing if I were 18 now.
throwaway0123_5 2mo ago
I agree somewhat, but for the most part the signal is that you can succeed in some kind of knowledge work. If AI replaces ~all knowledge work, that signal isn't actually going to be valuable I think. While I don't find it certain that AI will do that, it seems increasingly plausible with every model release. In that world, I don't think very many people are pursuing degrees.
cedws 2mo ago
I never understood why being able to “play the game” is considered a positive signal. Getting a degree is the safe path, it doesn’t require any risk taking, and not much initiative. It’s about having the money (or going into debt for most people) and sitting your ass in a chair until you’re told you’re worthy. That idea is repulsive to me.

zarzavat 2mo ago

If I were 18 I'd be sceptical about the value of degrees compared to the value of trades. Yes degrees are a prerequisite for white collar jobs but if there is competition for ever fewer white collar jobs that's a life gamble perhaps not worth taking unless you are supremely confident in your abilities in a field. If we're being honest, the value of a degree has been in decline for a long time. It was only being held up by STEM and even that is on shaky ground now. The days when an e.g. English degree would open doors are long over.

ConceptJunkie 2mo ago
There's going to be a huge realignment in white collar work in the next decade or two, and then there's the fact that college degrees themselves (except for maybe STEM), are becoming less and less valuable because higher education is so politicized and taken over by nonsense. My college education (Computer Science, 1987) served me very well over my career, but I don't know what I'd be doing if I were 18 now.

throwaway0123_5 2mo ago

I agree somewhat, but for the most part the signal is that you can succeed in some kind of knowledge work. If AI replaces ~all knowledge work, that signal isn't actually going to be valuable I think. While I don't find it certain that AI will do that, it seems increasingly plausible with every model release. In that world, I don't think very many people are pursuing degrees.

cedws 2mo ago

I never understood why being able to “play the game” is considered a positive signal. Getting a degree is the safe path, it doesn’t require any risk taking, and not much initiative. It’s about having the money (or going into debt for most people) and sitting your ass in a chair until you’re told you’re worthy. That idea is repulsive to me.