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You bought a property, not the entire neighborhood or city. Those do not belong to you. Cities change and adapt over time.

by davidw 2mo ago

PeterStuer 2mo ago
Once again, you use the passive. Change is active. Someone is doing the changing, and then they are trying to insult the people that refuse to let them have their way.
- davidw 2mo ago
  I explained two kinds of change, one that is more visible, where housing is built to accommodate people moving in, and a second kind where supply does not meet demand so the people change. Boulder, CO is an example of #2 - they put a bunch of restrictions on growth years ago , so what 'change' looked like there is wealthy people moving in, and the working class being pushed out to 'leapfrog development' like Longmont, where they then commute in the serve the landed gentry. You can easily see the first kind, but you have to look at statistics to see the second - income averages, price of housing, vacancy rates, what kinds of jobs your kids' friends' parents have and so on. There are different things that could create demand to live somewhere - jobs, and amenities are common ones though.
  - PeterStuer 2mo ago
    "I want a free Lamborgini in your garage. You're just a NIMBY denying my need"
FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
And then the current residents leave before their investments (their homes) lose value and the neighborhood as a whole loses value (or turns into a slum). People vote with their feet and their wallets.
- davidw 2mo ago
  This is not actually a thing that happens because 'someone built an apartment building'.
  - FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
    Never heard of white flight, huh?
    - xboxnolifes 2mo ago
      Might want to look into why white flight even happened in the first place. It wasn't because apartments were built.
      - FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
        It was directly tied to the disruption of neighborhoods culture. That's the root of my supposition.
        deleted 2mo ago
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        watwut 2mo ago
        It was because the new people were not white. They were black. The culture was not a factor, no matter how respectability politcs exactly as white they acted, they were black and thus a threat.
        davidw 2mo ago
        That's what 'FuriouslyAdrift' is saying. Those are the people he/she does not want in the neighborhood.
        FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
I purposely bought my house in a federal and state historic neighborhood so that I wouldn't have to wake up one morning and discover I was back in a dense neighborhood. I lived in downtown urban environments from age of 18 to 52. That was enough. There are plenty of high density housing options being built all over my city downtown including office building conversions. I'm all for it. That's just not how I want to live and I should have that choice.

You bought a property, not the entire neighborhood or city. Those do not belong to you. Cities change and adapt over time.

by davidw 2mo ago

You bought a property, not the entire neighborhood or city. Those do not belong to you. Cities change and adapt over time.

PeterStuer 2mo ago

Once again, you use the passive. Change is active. Someone is doing the changing, and then they are trying to insult the people that refuse to let them have their way.

davidw 2mo ago
I explained two kinds of change, one that is more visible, where housing is built to accommodate people moving in, and a second kind where supply does not meet demand so the people change. Boulder, CO is an example of #2 - they put a bunch of restrictions on growth years ago , so what 'change' looked like there is wealthy people moving in, and the working class being pushed out to 'leapfrog development' like Longmont, where they then commute in the serve the landed gentry. You can easily see the first kind, but you have to look at statistics to see the second - income averages, price of housing, vacancy rates, what kinds of jobs your kids' friends' parents have and so on. There are different things that could create demand to live somewhere - jobs, and amenities are common ones though.
- PeterStuer 2mo ago
  "I want a free Lamborgini in your garage. You're just a NIMBY denying my need"

FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago

And then the current residents leave before their investments (their homes) lose value and the neighborhood as a whole loses value (or turns into a slum). People vote with their feet and their wallets.

davidw 2mo ago
This is not actually a thing that happens because 'someone built an apartment building'.
- FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
  Never heard of white flight, huh?
  - xboxnolifes 2mo ago
    Might want to look into why white flight even happened in the first place. It wasn't because apartments were built.
    - FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago
      It was directly tied to the disruption of neighborhoods culture. That's the root of my supposition.
      - deleted 2mo ago
        [deleted]
      - watwut 2mo ago
        It was because the new people were not white. They were black. The culture was not a factor, no matter how respectability politcs exactly as white they acted, they were black and thus a threat.
        davidw 2mo ago
        That's what 'FuriouslyAdrift' is saying. Those are the people he/she does not want in the neighborhood.
        FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago

FuriouslyAdrift 2mo ago

I purposely bought my house in a federal and state historic neighborhood so that I wouldn't have to wake up one morning and discover I was back in a dense neighborhood. I lived in downtown urban environments from age of 18 to 52. That was enough. There are plenty of high density housing options being built all over my city downtown including office building conversions. I'm all for it. That's just not how I want to live and I should have that choice.