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No. Ceuta and Melilla have been Spanish cities for centuries with 95% and 86% of Spanish population. How would you feel living where your family have been livi
by alecsm 2mo ago
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Ceuta and Melilla have been Spanish cities for centuries with 95% and 86% of Spanish population. How would you feel living where your family have been living forever and one day they tell you you're no longer Spanish, you're out of the EU and you live in Morocco.
Is the US giving away Hawaii? Is Russia giving away its Asian territory? What about Turkey? Does Spain have to give away the Canary Islands too?
- vrganj 2mo agoNot forever. Only for a few hundred years. And they'd still be Spanish, and they'd have the option to move to Spain proper. And if they didn't want that, then their ancestors shouldn't fucking have brutally conquered land on another continent? Or they could've spent the last few hundred years moving back to where they came from? Just because their imperialism is a while ago doesn't mean it's just. > Is the US giving away Hawaii? Does the US have huge logistical problems holding on to Hawaii and cause a problem for the rest of the supernational organization it shares open borders with? Does Russia? Turkey?
- alecsm 2mo agoSo the problem is logistical. Ukraine has a major logistical problem holding a third of its territory, should they give it up? Also, again, using your argument. Why doesn't the US give away all its territory that they conquered during centuries? Do you think the Arabs that invaded northern Africa should also go back to where they belong? You sound like someone who has zero self awareness and even less history knowledge. Not even the UN considers Ceuta and Melilla as colonies or occupied territories.
- KellyCriterion 2mo agoCurious: If these two do not consider them as occupied, as what are they considered in their understading?
- alecsm 2mo agoThey are considered just Spain. Nothing more, nothing less.
- KellyCriterion 2mo agoErrr, to whom should Hawaii be given/transferred?
- KellyCriterion 2mo agoWrong - see post above: -- Spain became a unified nation in 1492 after the union of the Crown of Castile and the Crown of Aragon. Ceuta was acquired "somehow around that time block", so its not true to say that Ceuta was always (ie "since ever") a part of Spain, since it was acquired shortly after the forming of Spain. --
- umbra07 2mo agoThe above user's comment never claimed that Ceuta was always a part of Spain...?
- torcete 2mo agoAnd even before that, during Roman times, it was called Mauritania Hispania and it was considered part of Hispania. We are talking about millennia of history here backing up that Ceuta is part of Spain.