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Well first, I'll quote myself: > I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying it's so far from likely that being near-immortal due to bio-enhancements is almost

Well first, I'll quote myself: > I'm not saying it's impossible. I'm saying it's so far from likely that being near-immortal due to bio-enhancements is almost certainly more practical. Or you can develop some "scanning ray gun" which does the same thing without killing you first, I suppose. Seriously, I see near-immortality due to bio-engineering to be way more likely in the remote future (next few hundred years) than uploading your brain. Similarly, I see strong, general AI to be way more likely. I'll even say that I see full, human brain simulations to be way more likely than the ability to upload your own into the net. I'm all for being hopeful and optimistic, but sometimes physics is just not on your side.

mongol 14y ago
Uploading the brain is not the one and only thing implied with singularity, according to Kurzweil. Near-immortality and general strong AI is also in line with it. The one main point is that when AI / technology gets good enough, it takes off and leaves normal brain intelligence behind. Everything else is speculation.
- mcguire 14y ago
  "The one main point is that when AI / technology gets good enough, it takes off and leaves normal brain intelligence behind." That is actually a very strong assumption.
lukifer 14y ago
If you described the way modern internet works to an engineer 100 years ago, they'd pull their hair out too trying to understand such a system using the technology of their day. For brain uploading, my money is on pure algorithms. Throw a lifetime of data on top of base human emulation software, possibly influenced by known genetic data, and then iterate through an insane number of possible brains using an insane quantity of CPU until you get a virtual brain that most closely matches up with the provided data. It'll be at best a crude approximation of the original human, but just like with MP3s, nobody will really care as long as their departed loved one feels like the same person. The "singularity" is just a mathematical abstraction, as with dark energy or string theory. The math is highly likely to describe a real phenomenon, but anyone extrapolating further detail based on that math is basically just guessing.
- doomlaser 14y ago
  Similarly, if you were to ask an engineer 100 years ago to predict the changes in technology that would shape the future, he would be completely off track as well. This is another reason Singularity pushes seem so out.
lotyrin 14y ago
I'm just hopping in to recommend "Saturn's Children" by Stross, which this comment has reminded me of. AI are created by building immortal human brain simulations, raising them, then cloning the results. Humans are not able to upload and eventually go extinct.

mongol 14y ago

Uploading the brain is not the one and only thing implied with singularity, according to Kurzweil. Near-immortality and general strong AI is also in line with it. The one main point is that when AI / technology gets good enough, it takes off and leaves normal brain intelligence behind. Everything else is speculation.

mcguire 14y ago
"The one main point is that when AI / technology gets good enough, it takes off and leaves normal brain intelligence behind." That is actually a very strong assumption.

lukifer 14y ago

If you described the way modern internet works to an engineer 100 years ago, they'd pull their hair out too trying to understand such a system using the technology of their day. For brain uploading, my money is on pure algorithms. Throw a lifetime of data on top of base human emulation software, possibly influenced by known genetic data, and then iterate through an insane number of possible brains using an insane quantity of CPU until you get a virtual brain that most closely matches up with the provided data. It'll be at best a crude approximation of the original human, but just like with MP3s, nobody will really care as long as their departed loved one feels like the same person. The "singularity" is just a mathematical abstraction, as with dark energy or string theory. The math is highly likely to describe a real phenomenon, but anyone extrapolating further detail based on that math is basically just guessing.

doomlaser 14y ago
Similarly, if you were to ask an engineer 100 years ago to predict the changes in technology that would shape the future, he would be completely off track as well. This is another reason Singularity pushes seem so out.

lotyrin 14y ago

I'm just hopping in to recommend "Saturn's Children" by Stross, which this comment has reminded me of. AI are created by building immortal human brain simulations, raising them, then cloning the results. Humans are not able to upload and eventually go extinct.