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I'd say SteamOS is not open source IF SteamOS was not open source (but it is). The Android that google ships to phones isn't open source the same way the Googl

I'd say SteamOS is not open source IF SteamOS was not open source (but it is). The Android that google ships to phones isn't open source the same way the Google Chrome browser isn't open source either. To the license level. This is quite obvious, not sure if you don't understand or simple don't agree (and prefer to be wrong).

palata 2mo ago
Do you even know where the discussion comes from? After enumerating "macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android", it was said: > it would be best if developers all over the world boycotted proprietary platforms entirely. I noted that Linux and Android are open source. To which I got the answer: > Android is closed-source but with some open-source components, for only some of which they'll actually follow the license and give you the source code. Now please explain me how "they only follow the licence and give you the source code for some open-source components of Android" is obvious, and how I choose to be wrong when I say that the full goddamn OS is open source, not because Google follows the licence (because they don't have to, they own the codebase) but because Google chooses to publish it. There are many reasons for that and I hate Google as much as the next person, but the fact remains that the Android OS is open source. So back to the original point where "developers should boycott proprietary platforms", I don't think that Linux and Android should be boycotted. Developers should use and support open source Android systems like GrapheneOS and LineageOS (which they generally have no idea about) instead of boycotting them.
- inigyou 2mo ago
  I dare you to buy a random Android phone and try to get the source code for the GPU driver that will compile and match the functionality of what's installed on the device.
  - palata 2mo ago
    This is not what open source means.
    - owebmaster 2mo ago
      It's exactly what open source mean.
      - palata 2mo ago
        I don't know if you are trying to defend that "Android is not an open source OS" or if you are trying to play on words like the other poster? The best open source mobile OS you can get nowadays is based on AOSP, where the A means "Android". Sure, there are people who make proprietary products out of that. But it doesn't mean that Android is not an open source OS. The OS part, again, is open source. Even the Android SDK is open source.
        inigyou 2mo ago
        AOSP is not Android, or do you believe that GitHub is Git because the Git stands for Git? Or that Windows Registry Cleanup Assistant is Windows?
        palata 2mo ago
        The "A" in "AOSP" stands for "Android". Your examples are preposterous. It's closer to the difference between "Linux" and "GNU/Linux", which is often used by trolls like you to derail discussions. And more often than not, those who derail the discussions by saying "GNU/Linux" don't actually understand that there are mainstream Linux distributions that don't run a GNU userland, and that "GNU/Linux" is actually incorrect for whatever they are trying to say.
        owebmaster 2mo ago
        I can see that you probably met many people that tried to explain to you what GNU/Linux means and that Linux isn't an OS. All their effort trying to educate you was wasted.
        palata 2mo ago
- owebmaster 2mo ago
  Android is a good proprietary platform so locked that in the near future it'll be impossible to "sideload" apps (install apps without Google first allow it). Google Android isn't open source.
  - palata 2mo ago
    It can be open source and locked. Android is an open source OS: you can take the sources, compile them, run them on your phone and you will have a fully functional OS. Because it is open source does not mean that nobody can make a proprietary product out of it.

palata 2mo ago

Do you even know where the discussion comes from? After enumerating "macOS, Windows, Linux, iOS, Android", it was said: > it would be best if developers all over the world boycotted proprietary platforms entirely. I noted that Linux and Android are open source. To which I got the answer: > Android is closed-source but with some open-source components, for only some of which they'll actually follow the license and give you the source code. Now please explain me how "they only follow the licence and give you the source code for some open-source components of Android" is obvious, and how I choose to be wrong when I say that the full goddamn OS is open source, not because Google follows the licence (because they don't have to, they own the codebase) but because Google chooses to publish it. There are many reasons for that and I hate Google as much as the next person, but the fact remains that the Android OS is open source. So back to the original point where "developers should boycott proprietary platforms", I don't think that Linux and Android should be boycotted. Developers should use and support open source Android systems like GrapheneOS and LineageOS (which they generally have no idea about) instead of boycotting them.

inigyou 2mo ago
I dare you to buy a random Android phone and try to get the source code for the GPU driver that will compile and match the functionality of what's installed on the device.
- palata 2mo ago
  This is not what open source means.
  - owebmaster 2mo ago
    It's exactly what open source mean.
    - palata 2mo ago
      I don't know if you are trying to defend that "Android is not an open source OS" or if you are trying to play on words like the other poster? The best open source mobile OS you can get nowadays is based on AOSP, where the A means "Android". Sure, there are people who make proprietary products out of that. But it doesn't mean that Android is not an open source OS. The OS part, again, is open source. Even the Android SDK is open source.
      - inigyou 2mo ago
        AOSP is not Android, or do you believe that GitHub is Git because the Git stands for Git? Or that Windows Registry Cleanup Assistant is Windows?
        palata 2mo ago
        The "A" in "AOSP" stands for "Android". Your examples are preposterous. It's closer to the difference between "Linux" and "GNU/Linux", which is often used by trolls like you to derail discussions. And more often than not, those who derail the discussions by saying "GNU/Linux" don't actually understand that there are mainstream Linux distributions that don't run a GNU userland, and that "GNU/Linux" is actually incorrect for whatever they are trying to say.
        owebmaster 2mo ago
        I can see that you probably met many people that tried to explain to you what GNU/Linux means and that Linux isn't an OS. All their effort trying to educate you was wasted.
        palata 2mo ago
owebmaster 2mo ago
Android is a good proprietary platform so locked that in the near future it'll be impossible to "sideload" apps (install apps without Google first allow it). Google Android isn't open source.
- palata 2mo ago
  It can be open source and locked. Android is an open source OS: you can take the sources, compile them, run them on your phone and you will have a fully functional OS. Because it is open source does not mean that nobody can make a proprietary product out of it.