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It's the only reason I want to replace Tailscale with something else or look into self-host when have a bit of time during my vacation. They only allow login th

by n6242 2mo ago

It's the only reason I want to replace Tailscale with something else or look into self-host when have a bit of time during my vacation. They only allow login through a third party, which is a big no for me.

aidos 2mo ago
I think you can use a passkey now.
- stavros 2mo ago
  Only for people invited to the Tailnet. To create your own account, you still need a third party.
  - eddythompson80 2mo ago
    You can host your own identity provider. Authentik, Keycloak, authelia or Zitadel work. I don’t fully agree with tailscale’s decision to not want to be an identity provider but I understand it on some level. It simplifies their service greatly and the amount of asks for that will essentially have them build a full enterprise Entra-like solution that would be a constant maintain headache and they are not interested in that.
    - dolmen 2mo ago
      Beyond simplifying their service, it allows Tailscale to have reduced responsibilities (because of reduced collection of sensible data), and makes them a less interesting target for people wanting access to the data (wether illagally by hacking, or legally from government agencies). This probably makes them less attractive as targets for censorship.
corney91 2mo ago
Tbf to Tailscale they allow any OIDC provider[1]. I wish this was more normalised, then we could have one login everywhere regardless of who hosts it (even if it's yourself). [1] https://tailscale.com/docs/integrations/identity/custom-oidc https://tailscale.com/docs/integrations/identity/custom-oidc
noduerme 2mo ago
This is what headscale does, right? Manage private logins and keys for your tailnet from a vps? I haven't played with it but seems straightforward
zalebz 2mo ago
I created my own AWS Cognito userpool just for tailscale. I recall the webfinger redirect was frustrating to get right but I refused to use Google/Apple as a gatekeeper to my own network so I had all the motivation to get it working.
dolmen 2mo ago
While that isn't convenient is you don't want to use the public identity providers, it should make you think about what makes your identity on the Internet, and consider to have your own identity provider on a DNS domain you control.

by n6242 2mo ago

aidos 2mo ago

I think you can use a passkey now.

stavros 2mo ago
Only for people invited to the Tailnet. To create your own account, you still need a third party.
- eddythompson80 2mo ago
  You can host your own identity provider. Authentik, Keycloak, authelia or Zitadel work. I don’t fully agree with tailscale’s decision to not want to be an identity provider but I understand it on some level. It simplifies their service greatly and the amount of asks for that will essentially have them build a full enterprise Entra-like solution that would be a constant maintain headache and they are not interested in that.
  - dolmen 2mo ago
    Beyond simplifying their service, it allows Tailscale to have reduced responsibilities (because of reduced collection of sensible data), and makes them a less interesting target for people wanting access to the data (wether illagally by hacking, or legally from government agencies). This probably makes them less attractive as targets for censorship.

corney91 2mo ago

Tbf to Tailscale they allow any OIDC provider[1]. I wish this was more normalised, then we could have one login everywhere regardless of who hosts it (even if it's yourself). [1] https://tailscale.com/docs/integrations/identity/custom-oidc https://tailscale.com/docs/integrations/identity/custom-oidc

noduerme 2mo ago

This is what headscale does, right? Manage private logins and keys for your tailnet from a vps? I haven't played with it but seems straightforward

zalebz 2mo ago

I created my own AWS Cognito userpool just for tailscale. I recall the webfinger redirect was frustrating to get right but I refused to use Google/Apple as a gatekeeper to my own network so I had all the motivation to get it working.

dolmen 2mo ago

While that isn't convenient is you don't want to use the public identity providers, it should make you think about what makes your identity on the Internet, and consider to have your own identity provider on a DNS domain you control.