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Difficult to distinguish between actual slave labour and China-is-bad propaganda. Harm to the end user: none^ Benefits to the end user: more affordable tomato

Difficult to distinguish between actual slave labour and China-is-bad propaganda. Harm to the end user: none^ Benefits to the end user: more affordable tomato paste Government action to prevent slave labour products entering Australia: none^ ^close enough.

martimarkov 3mo ago
Negatives to end user: unknown pesticides or banned pesticides. No propaganda - lack of validation, evidence and trust
- perpetuallunch 3mo ago
  What does slavery, real slavery or anti-China propaganda fake slavery, have to do with the with the presence or absence of pesticides, banned or otherwise?
stubish 3mo ago
It is perfectly legal to sell Chinese tomatoes in Australia (which is not necessarily a good thing, re: forced labour in Italy and China). The fraud is mislabeling them as Australian or similar, denying consumers from making their own ethical choice. Which is your harm to the end user and generally enforced by the ACCC.
- kkotak 3mo ago
  If you're going to start talking about mislabelling products, you're going doing a rabbit hole of hundreds if not thousands of products sold in reputable stores. Look up how FDA labels for Organic, Grass fed, Pasture raised, etc. are used through out the industry in the US and the world. You should also look up the requirements for "Made in X" labels for consumer products. Playing with word and people's emotions on what those labels mean when making a purchase decision is as old as commerce itself. Don't for a moment think of the US or a Western country being rightious about this.
  - stubish 3mo ago
    How the FDA and US labels things is not relevant to Australia with its more consumer focused laws and the ACCC.
- perpetuallunch 3mo ago
  The information this is based on is reporting from the Australian ABC TV program Four Corners. The ABC is a know, as in they don't even try to pretend propriety, propaganda outlet of the Australia Albanese federal Government. I'm not saying this is definitely propaganda, but there's a non-zero chance it is. The Albanese government has been very open about attacking industry.
  - stubish 3mo ago
    It is anti-industry to report fraud and provide evidence to government enforcement bodies and shame them into acting? This is anti-government propaganda if anything, given the lack of proactive monitoring and serious enforcement. If anyone in politics benefits from this it will be One Nation or maybe the Nationals if they pick up on the Protect Australian Farmers angle, while sitting government gets to explain why they had failed to acknowledge the problem or act. The forced labor issue will be a particular thorn in their side, given it is one of the excuses for the latest round of US tariffs.
neves 3mo ago
Chinese workers earn more than workers from latin America. At least their government isn't slave for billionaires

martimarkov 3mo ago

Negatives to end user: unknown pesticides or banned pesticides. No propaganda - lack of validation, evidence and trust

perpetuallunch 3mo ago
What does slavery, real slavery or anti-China propaganda fake slavery, have to do with the with the presence or absence of pesticides, banned or otherwise?

stubish 3mo ago

It is perfectly legal to sell Chinese tomatoes in Australia (which is not necessarily a good thing, re: forced labour in Italy and China). The fraud is mislabeling them as Australian or similar, denying consumers from making their own ethical choice. Which is your harm to the end user and generally enforced by the ACCC.

kkotak 3mo ago
If you're going to start talking about mislabelling products, you're going doing a rabbit hole of hundreds if not thousands of products sold in reputable stores. Look up how FDA labels for Organic, Grass fed, Pasture raised, etc. are used through out the industry in the US and the world. You should also look up the requirements for "Made in X" labels for consumer products. Playing with word and people's emotions on what those labels mean when making a purchase decision is as old as commerce itself. Don't for a moment think of the US or a Western country being rightious about this.
- stubish 3mo ago
  How the FDA and US labels things is not relevant to Australia with its more consumer focused laws and the ACCC.
perpetuallunch 3mo ago
The information this is based on is reporting from the Australian ABC TV program Four Corners. The ABC is a know, as in they don't even try to pretend propriety, propaganda outlet of the Australia Albanese federal Government. I'm not saying this is definitely propaganda, but there's a non-zero chance it is. The Albanese government has been very open about attacking industry.
- stubish 3mo ago
  It is anti-industry to report fraud and provide evidence to government enforcement bodies and shame them into acting? This is anti-government propaganda if anything, given the lack of proactive monitoring and serious enforcement. If anyone in politics benefits from this it will be One Nation or maybe the Nationals if they pick up on the Protect Australian Farmers angle, while sitting government gets to explain why they had failed to acknowledge the problem or act. The forced labor issue will be a particular thorn in their side, given it is one of the excuses for the latest round of US tariffs.

neves 3mo ago

Chinese workers earn more than workers from latin America. At least their government isn't slave for billionaires