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If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay. There are large and small countries ( China, Norway) that have majority EV cars an

If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay. There are large and small countries ( China, Norway) that have majority EV cars and continue to grow. There are 120+ other countries that are buying EVs. Even in US, there are a few people who have bought EVs and realized it works for them. A person who really needs an ICE car would encourage others to buy EVs because it would reduce oil demand, and with demand destruction, considerably lower oil prices. With lowered demand, Saudi Arabia can supply a barrel for $5 - $10/barrel from Ghawar Field. Which means a gas-head who commutes every day from Yukon, Canada to Guadalajara, Mexico has a significantly lower gas bill. The only people who wants everyone to buy ICE are fossil fuel shills.

zuzululu 3mo ago
> If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay so you admit EV is a cult if ICE is a religion ? that's not okay.
_carbyau_ 3mo ago
I find this whole discussion weird. The whole world is in a transition phase. For some it will make sense to jump to pure EV use, for others it won't. That whole “The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed.” thing... I have one of each. They work well for different reasons. EV is the charge-at-home city car that is preferred for every day use. The ICE is for when two cars are needed and long distance travel because charging stations here are not well sorted yet. My plan for the future: The ICE car will be replaced with a hybrid with a significant emphasis on battery. Then eventually it'll be an EV as well. We'll get there.
- thelastgallon 3mo ago
  Thats right, most families with 2 cars can immediately switch to an EV and use it as a daily driver.
  - SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
    This is the correct use for EV. A second car, around town. Perfect. The EV push back is because the MBAs decide to market them as replacement daily drivers. And despite the people that went all in being part of the same reality that has caused the massive pushback against EVs… they will defend their purchases to the death. I have had two EVs for around town. Love em. But not real for only car outside of California.
    - umeshunni 3mo ago
      > But not real for only car outside of California. Tell that to the millions of people in EU and China who have EVs as their only car. I swear Americans live in the 50s in 2026.
      - thelastgallon 3mo ago
        Thats correct, but Americans are conditioned by fossil fuel shills that EVs are not for them, driven by irrational fear of range anxiety. To dispel a lie, we need to spend 100x effort[1]. Its hard to convince everyone to switch to EVs, perhaps we agree with the false premise, but break it down and focus on certain demographics that it will work for. a) 37% of US households own two vehicles. This is the biggest demographic and they can definitely have one EV. b) College students and professors/administrators who live close to campus. They drive a lot less, ~5K miles/year instead of 12 - 15K miles/year. c) Retired people, very old people who only drive around town for shopping, doctor appointments. As adoption increases, most Americans would have seen first hand that EVs work and they can charge anywhere, electricity is not scarce and every building has electricity (don't need to go somewhere special just to charge it), electricity is not the work of the devil, it is okay to use EVs. [1] https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/ https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/
      - dzhiurgis 3mo ago
        I suspect there's a big of cognitive dissonance here. My guess US has more emphasis on road trips, longer distances, vastly more wilderness areas, etc. Europe is mostly urbanized it's almost boring. Dunno about China, but I guess they cracked charging infrastructure.

zuzululu 3mo ago

> If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay so you admit EV is a cult if ICE is a religion ? that's not okay.

_carbyau_ 3mo ago

I find this whole discussion weird. The whole world is in a transition phase. For some it will make sense to jump to pure EV use, for others it won't. That whole “The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed.” thing... I have one of each. They work well for different reasons. EV is the charge-at-home city car that is preferred for every day use. The ICE is for when two cars are needed and long distance travel because charging stations here are not well sorted yet. My plan for the future: The ICE car will be replaced with a hybrid with a significant emphasis on battery. Then eventually it'll be an EV as well. We'll get there.

thelastgallon 3mo ago
Thats right, most families with 2 cars can immediately switch to an EV and use it as a daily driver.
- SV_BubbleTime 3mo ago
  This is the correct use for EV. A second car, around town. Perfect. The EV push back is because the MBAs decide to market them as replacement daily drivers. And despite the people that went all in being part of the same reality that has caused the massive pushback against EVs… they will defend their purchases to the death. I have had two EVs for around town. Love em. But not real for only car outside of California.
  - umeshunni 3mo ago
    > But not real for only car outside of California. Tell that to the millions of people in EU and China who have EVs as their only car. I swear Americans live in the 50s in 2026.
    - thelastgallon 3mo ago
      Thats correct, but Americans are conditioned by fossil fuel shills that EVs are not for them, driven by irrational fear of range anxiety. To dispel a lie, we need to spend 100x effort[1]. Its hard to convince everyone to switch to EVs, perhaps we agree with the false premise, but break it down and focus on certain demographics that it will work for. a) 37% of US households own two vehicles. This is the biggest demographic and they can definitely have one EV. b) College students and professors/administrators who live close to campus. They drive a lot less, ~5K miles/year instead of 12 - 15K miles/year. c) Retired people, very old people who only drive around town for shopping, doctor appointments. As adoption increases, most Americans would have seen first hand that EVs work and they can charge anywhere, electricity is not scarce and every building has electricity (don't need to go somewhere special just to charge it), electricity is not the work of the devil, it is okay to use EVs. [1] https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/ https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/
    - dzhiurgis 3mo ago
      I suspect there's a big of cognitive dissonance here. My guess US has more emphasis on road trips, longer distances, vastly more wilderness areas, etc. Europe is mostly urbanized it's almost boring. Dunno about China, but I guess they cracked charging infrastructure.