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> The latest battery chemistries perform incredibly well in cold and hot climates. Oh? Show me a model of EV that has it is going to lower capacity battery he

> The latest battery chemistries perform incredibly well in cold and hot climates. Oh? Show me a model of EV that has it is going to lower capacity battery heating and cooling systems. I’m an automotive EE… I can’t name any. I’m working on things that will go in 2032 vehicles. Surprise, most are ICE, but of the EV vehicles the battery protection systems are becoming more rugged, not less. Where does your supposition come from?

zuzululu 2mo ago
I'm surprised they didn't flag and downvote you. There seems to be a certain crowd that seems view EV as sort of a panacea without considering the true realities which involve experience and research to know they are far from replacing ICE
- thelastgallon 2mo ago
  If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay. There are large and small countries ( China, Norway) that have majority EV cars and continue to grow. There are 120+ other countries that are buying EVs. Even in US, there are a few people who have bought EVs and realized it works for them. A person who really needs an ICE car would encourage others to buy EVs because it would reduce oil demand, and with demand destruction, considerably lower oil prices. With lowered demand, Saudi Arabia can supply a barrel for $5 - $10/barrel from Ghawar Field. Which means a gas-head who commutes every day from Yukon, Canada to Guadalajara, Mexico has a significantly lower gas bill. The only people who wants everyone to buy ICE are fossil fuel shills.
  - zuzululu 2mo ago
    > If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay so you admit EV is a cult if ICE is a religion ? that's not okay.
  - _carbyau_ 2mo ago
    I find this whole discussion weird. The whole world is in a transition phase. For some it will make sense to jump to pure EV use, for others it won't. That whole “The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed.” thing... I have one of each. They work well for different reasons. EV is the charge-at-home city car that is preferred for every day use. The ICE is for when two cars are needed and long distance travel because charging stations here are not well sorted yet. My plan for the future: The ICE car will be replaced with a hybrid with a significant emphasis on battery. Then eventually it'll be an EV as well. We'll get there.
    - thelastgallon 2mo ago
      Thats right, most families with 2 cars can immediately switch to an EV and use it as a daily driver.
      - SV_BubbleTime 2mo ago
        This is the correct use for EV. A second car, around town. Perfect. The EV push back is because the MBAs decide to market them as replacement daily drivers. And despite the people that went all in being part of the same reality that has caused the massive pushback against EVs… they will defend their purchases to the death. I have had two EVs for around town. Love em. But not real for only car outside of California.
        umeshunni 2mo ago
        > But not real for only car outside of California. Tell that to the millions of people in EU and China who have EVs as their only car. I swear Americans live in the 50s in 2026.
        thelastgallon 2mo ago
        Thats correct, but Americans are conditioned by fossil fuel shills that EVs are not for them, driven by irrational fear of range anxiety. To dispel a lie, we need to spend 100x effort[1]. Its hard to convince everyone to switch to EVs, perhaps we agree with the false premise, but break it down and focus on certain demographics that it will work for. a) 37% of US households own two vehicles. This is the biggest demographic and they can definitely have one EV. b) College students and professors/administrators who live close to campus. They drive a lot less, ~5K miles/year instead of 12 - 15K miles/year. c) Retired people, very old people who only drive around town for shopping, doctor appointments. As adoption increases, most Americans would have seen first hand that EVs work and they can charge anywhere, electricity is not scarce and every building has electricity (don't need to go somewhere special just to charge it), electricity is not the work of the devil, it is okay to use EVs. [1] https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/ https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/
- dzhiurgis 2mo ago
  I finally met someone who plans to downgrade from EV to ICE. He does 100k km per year, running multiple businesses. Lives 120km outside Dublin. Biggest issue seems to be wait at public charge stations. IMO he needs to get long range EV and get better chargers at home/work. But oh well, I'm not going to stop him if he's going to get luxury sports cars instead lol.
  - SV_BubbleTime 2mo ago
    > Biggest issue seems to be wait at public charge stations. No one has ever said “man, I love this gas station and wish I could stay here for two hours” … idk, I guess people like Buckeys for some reason.
    - dzhiurgis 2mo ago
      TBF Most of my stops aren’t enough to have quick meal with kids, let alone proper dinner. If you live your life in a hurry it can def be a problem.
dzhiurgis 2mo ago
Sodium batteries loose only 10% or capacity and doesn't need pre-heating when charging. Latest Chinese LFPs perform well in cold too (I don't know exact deets and tbf they don't do great job publishing them other than marketing fluff). Also added ripple preheating that Tesla has.

zuzululu 2mo ago

I'm surprised they didn't flag and downvote you. There seems to be a certain crowd that seems view EV as sort of a panacea without considering the true realities which involve experience and research to know they are far from replacing ICE

thelastgallon 2mo ago
If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay. There are large and small countries ( China, Norway) that have majority EV cars and continue to grow. There are 120+ other countries that are buying EVs. Even in US, there are a few people who have bought EVs and realized it works for them. A person who really needs an ICE car would encourage others to buy EVs because it would reduce oil demand, and with demand destruction, considerably lower oil prices. With lowered demand, Saudi Arabia can supply a barrel for $5 - $10/barrel from Ghawar Field. Which means a gas-head who commutes every day from Yukon, Canada to Guadalajara, Mexico has a significantly lower gas bill. The only people who wants everyone to buy ICE are fossil fuel shills.
- zuzululu 2mo ago
  > If ICE is the only vehicle for you, because of religious reasons, thats okay so you admit EV is a cult if ICE is a religion ? that's not okay.
- _carbyau_ 2mo ago
  I find this whole discussion weird. The whole world is in a transition phase. For some it will make sense to jump to pure EV use, for others it won't. That whole “The future is already here – it's just not evenly distributed.” thing... I have one of each. They work well for different reasons. EV is the charge-at-home city car that is preferred for every day use. The ICE is for when two cars are needed and long distance travel because charging stations here are not well sorted yet. My plan for the future: The ICE car will be replaced with a hybrid with a significant emphasis on battery. Then eventually it'll be an EV as well. We'll get there.
  - thelastgallon 2mo ago
    Thats right, most families with 2 cars can immediately switch to an EV and use it as a daily driver.
    - SV_BubbleTime 2mo ago
      This is the correct use for EV. A second car, around town. Perfect. The EV push back is because the MBAs decide to market them as replacement daily drivers. And despite the people that went all in being part of the same reality that has caused the massive pushback against EVs… they will defend their purchases to the death. I have had two EVs for around town. Love em. But not real for only car outside of California.
      - umeshunni 2mo ago
        > But not real for only car outside of California. Tell that to the millions of people in EU and China who have EVs as their only car. I swear Americans live in the 50s in 2026.
        thelastgallon 2mo ago
        Thats correct, but Americans are conditioned by fossil fuel shills that EVs are not for them, driven by irrational fear of range anxiety. To dispel a lie, we need to spend 100x effort[1]. Its hard to convince everyone to switch to EVs, perhaps we agree with the false premise, but break it down and focus on certain demographics that it will work for. a) 37% of US households own two vehicles. This is the biggest demographic and they can definitely have one EV. b) College students and professors/administrators who live close to campus. They drive a lot less, ~5K miles/year instead of 12 - 15K miles/year. c) Retired people, very old people who only drive around town for shopping, doctor appointments. As adoption increases, most Americans would have seen first hand that EVs work and they can charge anywhere, electricity is not scarce and every building has electricity (don't need to go somewhere special just to charge it), electricity is not the work of the devil, it is okay to use EVs. [1] https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/ https://criticalfallibilism.com/brandolinis-law/
dzhiurgis 2mo ago
I finally met someone who plans to downgrade from EV to ICE. He does 100k km per year, running multiple businesses. Lives 120km outside Dublin. Biggest issue seems to be wait at public charge stations. IMO he needs to get long range EV and get better chargers at home/work. But oh well, I'm not going to stop him if he's going to get luxury sports cars instead lol.
- SV_BubbleTime 2mo ago
  > Biggest issue seems to be wait at public charge stations. No one has ever said “man, I love this gas station and wish I could stay here for two hours” … idk, I guess people like Buckeys for some reason.
  - dzhiurgis 2mo ago
    TBF Most of my stops aren’t enough to have quick meal with kids, let alone proper dinner. If you live your life in a hurry it can def be a problem.

dzhiurgis 2mo ago

Sodium batteries loose only 10% or capacity and doesn't need pre-heating when charging. Latest Chinese LFPs perform well in cold too (I don't know exact deets and tbf they don't do great job publishing them other than marketing fluff). Also added ripple preheating that Tesla has.