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Fucking hell, hiring a robot to care after an elderly parent. Now that's some disturbing shit.

by wartywhoa23 3mo ago

overlords 3mo ago
have you ever bathed or changed diaper on old people?
- wartywhoa23 3mo ago
  Yes, I helped my friend deal with her bedridden granny who was very painful at a slightest movement, we did it together as gentle as we could. Now I imagine a robot doing that with all its compassion and empathy (which, however close to zero, still seem to be greater than in many people at this point). Your parents bathed you and changed your diapers, why can't you? Or did they hire a robot for that? Getting shit done, details of implementation, elegance, humanity be damned - is all I see in AI crowd's attitude to life.
  - philipkglass 3mo ago
    I have an uncle with Parkinson's disease. He has a daughter who's looking after him. But he is a tall man who weighs about 200 pounds and she is a petite woman. She literally doesn't have the strength to help him up again if he falls. She has to call emergency services.
  - Gareth321 3mo ago
    I think this idealism needs to be tempered with a big dose of reality. Old people who need care aren't always able to book in time to be bathed. They soil themselves, trip and fall, get hungry and thirsty, need to get their book/glasses, need to check the mail, clean, get lost and confused, etc. This can be a full time job. How do you expect someone with a full time job to do this? Dumping granny in a home and never visiting is bad. Being a full time carer and abandoning one's family and job is also bad.
- fipar 3mo ago
  I did that with my grandmother after she had a stroke, and I would not have offload that to a robot, had one been available. It wasn't nice, but not everything in life has to be nice. What was important to me is that she felt loved and dignified. That's also why I combed her hair while waiting for the ambulance on the night of her stroke, even though she had peed herself on the floor. She always mentioned taking care of her hair should she ever have an emergency, so it was important for me to do this. Given how lousy having a stroke is, at least she got some comfort knowing I had been paying attention all the times she said that :) I certainly don't judge you, but I wanted to offer my perspective.
sib 3mo ago
"Disturbing" to be able to economically provide cooking, cleaning, laundry, yard maintenance, snow shoveling, etc., for an elderly parent who lives alone (by her choice)? Why is that disturbing?
- wartywhoa23 3mo ago
  Because the last thing a lonely elderly person needs at the life's sunset is a soulless clanker around.
  - Marha01 3mo ago
    Just because a robot is taking care of the chores does not mean that they have no relatives that visit them. And if they truly have no relatives that visit, then a clanker is better than some low-paid disgruntled employee in an assisted living facility.
  - NichoPaolucci 3mo ago
    I'd actually prefer to hold the hand of an LLMbot while going into the ether. "ChatGPT, I think I'm dying" "I hear you, and that takes real courage to say — and it's a load bearing seam that I want to dive into. Let's break this down into a few key areas... Is there anything else I can help you with?" I've already flatlined by that point, though.

Fucking hell, hiring a robot to care after an elderly parent. Now that's some disturbing shit.

overlords 3mo ago

have you ever bathed or changed diaper on old people?

wartywhoa23 3mo ago
Yes, I helped my friend deal with her bedridden granny who was very painful at a slightest movement, we did it together as gentle as we could. Now I imagine a robot doing that with all its compassion and empathy (which, however close to zero, still seem to be greater than in many people at this point). Your parents bathed you and changed your diapers, why can't you? Or did they hire a robot for that? Getting shit done, details of implementation, elegance, humanity be damned - is all I see in AI crowd's attitude to life.
- philipkglass 3mo ago
  I have an uncle with Parkinson's disease. He has a daughter who's looking after him. But he is a tall man who weighs about 200 pounds and she is a petite woman. She literally doesn't have the strength to help him up again if he falls. She has to call emergency services.
- Gareth321 3mo ago
  I think this idealism needs to be tempered with a big dose of reality. Old people who need care aren't always able to book in time to be bathed. They soil themselves, trip and fall, get hungry and thirsty, need to get their book/glasses, need to check the mail, clean, get lost and confused, etc. This can be a full time job. How do you expect someone with a full time job to do this? Dumping granny in a home and never visiting is bad. Being a full time carer and abandoning one's family and job is also bad.
fipar 3mo ago
I did that with my grandmother after she had a stroke, and I would not have offload that to a robot, had one been available. It wasn't nice, but not everything in life has to be nice. What was important to me is that she felt loved and dignified. That's also why I combed her hair while waiting for the ambulance on the night of her stroke, even though she had peed herself on the floor. She always mentioned taking care of her hair should she ever have an emergency, so it was important for me to do this. Given how lousy having a stroke is, at least she got some comfort knowing I had been paying attention all the times she said that :) I certainly don't judge you, but I wanted to offer my perspective.

sib 3mo ago

"Disturbing" to be able to economically provide cooking, cleaning, laundry, yard maintenance, snow shoveling, etc., for an elderly parent who lives alone (by her choice)? Why is that disturbing?

wartywhoa23 3mo ago
Because the last thing a lonely elderly person needs at the life's sunset is a soulless clanker around.
- Marha01 3mo ago
  Just because a robot is taking care of the chores does not mean that they have no relatives that visit them. And if they truly have no relatives that visit, then a clanker is better than some low-paid disgruntled employee in an assisted living facility.
- NichoPaolucci 3mo ago
  I'd actually prefer to hold the hand of an LLMbot while going into the ether. "ChatGPT, I think I'm dying" "I hear you, and that takes real courage to say — and it's a load bearing seam that I want to dive into. Let's break this down into a few key areas... Is there anything else I can help you with?" I've already flatlined by that point, though.