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A big concern around age verification is that some people will be locked out because they can't prove their age. Your solution here has the same flaw, I think.
by palata 3mo ago
A big concern around age verification is that some people will be locked out because they can't prove their age.
Your solution here has the same flaw, I think. If the algorithm thinks I'm underage, I'm locked out.
- creatacc 3mo agobeing locked out = less profit = firing management by shareholders it will solve by consumers, don't worry
- upheaval7276 3mo agoyep, just like cases now where people are locked out of their accounts for no reason with no recourse. totally solved!
- brookst 3mo agoIn the aggregate sure. But do you really think profit motive means they will be precise for every individual?
- j16sdiz 3mo agoIt won't. Do you aware how many people are locked out from access of the bank because the bank think they are too risky by some algorithm and no human review? And people got rejected for flying because they have same name as somebody on no fly list?
- palata 3mo agoThe number of people who are marginalised is... marginal. By definition it doesn't have a sensible impact on profit. That's precisely why it is a problem to be marginalised.
- MichaelZuo 3mo agoIsn’t that… life? Even literal regulated electricity utilities aren’t expected to provide service to every last marginal customer. For example, a poor old grandma missing many electricity bill payments usually will see leniency if she is polite, the utility eventually won’t try to collect cash anymore and instead put a lien on the home while continuing to provide service. But if the billing department receives multiple threats from her, then they may just cut the service.
- johnnyanmac 3mo agoI really hope our freedom's aren't relinquished on a platform as fortified as "It is what it is".
- MichaelZuo 3mo agoThis doesn’t make sense? How does “freedom” relate to an electrical utility deciding whether to cut service?
- johnnyanmac 3mo ago"Freemdom" is accepting that mostly marginalized people get their power cut because they are marginalized. Your reaction to that is to shrug and move on instead of investigating the systems below that keep the marginalized as so. Even if we take marginalization out of it, this is the same kind of system that let's Healthcare recklessly utilize AI Systems to automatically reject patients' care, with a Herculean effort required to find a human to talk to. Its easy yo shrug until you are hallucinated into their crosshair. But sure, that's "freedom".
- MichaelZuo 3mo ago[flagged]
- MichaelZuo 3mo agoEven after re-reading this comment, it still reads like gibberish. As if my example was half read, or not at all. By definition, a billing department of a utility has to be able to “marginalize”… in order to function. There’s literally no other way I can see for it to work.
- palata 3mo agoNot entirely sure what you are trying to say, other than you don't really care as long as you are not the one who is marginalised. Anyway it's generally a tradeoff: is it worth doing it? By adding very strict age verification systems and marginalising people, do we make society globally better or not? Will those age verification systems work to prevent underage people from accessing the stuff we don't want them to access in the first place? Not clear. If they do, will it result in underage people being better? Not clear. And if it does, will it have been worth the damage on the people it marginalised? Not clear.