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I really wish mitchellh wouldn't take funding from some of these people. Tobias Lutke in particular has chronically been on the wrong side of fundamental issues

I really wish mitchellh wouldn't take funding from some of these people. Tobias Lutke in particular has chronically been on the wrong side of fundamental issues, and has most recently advocated for a pay-to-play version of democracy where wealth determines your ability to participate (and in particular your "stake" in the democracy).

stephc_int13 2mo ago
I also recoiled a bit when I say that Lutke was on the investors list.
draw_down 2mo ago
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tills13 2mo ago
It's really unfortunate that the same traits that make you great at building a business (within capitalism) also often make you have psychopathic tendencies.
- vrganj 2mo ago
  Kind of says something about the system we've chosen to run our societies on, huh?
  - an0malous 2mo ago
    Now we’re ruled by an oligarchy of psychopaths and everyone’s wondering how this happened
- throwaway-blaze 2mo ago
  Easy to say this when the original commenter incorrectly described Tobias' comments. He suggested that those who pay more in taxes should have a greater say in how the government is spending the money. This is not a crazy idea on its face; you could say that taken to the limit it would not be a good system to live in (the highest taxpayer dictating what gov't does). But it does make sense that those who are footing the bill for everything might be consulted a little on the plans to spend.
  - tills13 2mo ago
    reading "those who pay more in taxes should have a greater say in how the government is spending the money" and NOT taking that to mean what the OP is suggesting it to mean is naive. Everyone knows what Tobias meant when he said that.
Swizec 2mo ago
> Tobias Lutke /../ has most recently advocated for a pay-to-play version of democracy where wealth determines your ability to participate He’s just looking at america post Citizens United and wishing he could ull the same shenans in Canada. It’s been working very well for the folks and orgs who can afford it
fourseventy 2mo ago
People are only allowed to take funding from investors whose politics align with yours?
- an0malous 2mo ago
  They stated their preference, not that there should be a rule to enforce their preference.
- antonyt 2mo ago
  "I think this guy is dumb and wrong. Oh no, this dumb wrong guy is going to have outsized influence on a project I'm interested in. Oh no, this dumb wrong guy may profit from a project I'm interested in. Oh no, this dumb wrong guy is using his wealth to do dumb wrong things." This is a normal and reasonable thought process.
otterley 2mo ago
Does Mitchell even need to take outside funding?
bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
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- slowin 2mo ago
  I'm sure the people who would have their right to vote stripped from them would consider that malicious, and they would be correct. That's not democracy.
  - bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
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    - slowin 2mo ago
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      - bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
        > I think most people will agree that empowering the edgelord Shopify CEO is not going to improve most people's outcomes. This is another logical fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum > All you need to do is read his tweets to see that he should have less power (much less), not more I'd like you to make a real argument. What specific tweet of his implies he should have less power and why?
        slowin 2mo ago
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        bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
        > You made the unsubstantiated claim that people would want their right to vote stripped from them. That wasn't a claim, it was a hypothetical. > I do not think people want guys like this in power: https://xcancel.com/tobi/status/2081155797640171641 https://xcancel.com/tobi/status/2081155797640171641 What is it specifically about this tweet that means him being in power would have bad outcomes?

stephc_int13 2mo ago

I also recoiled a bit when I say that Lutke was on the investors list.

draw_down 2mo ago

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tills13 2mo ago

It's really unfortunate that the same traits that make you great at building a business (within capitalism) also often make you have psychopathic tendencies.

vrganj 2mo ago
Kind of says something about the system we've chosen to run our societies on, huh?
- an0malous 2mo ago
  Now we’re ruled by an oligarchy of psychopaths and everyone’s wondering how this happened
throwaway-blaze 2mo ago
Easy to say this when the original commenter incorrectly described Tobias' comments. He suggested that those who pay more in taxes should have a greater say in how the government is spending the money. This is not a crazy idea on its face; you could say that taken to the limit it would not be a good system to live in (the highest taxpayer dictating what gov't does). But it does make sense that those who are footing the bill for everything might be consulted a little on the plans to spend.
- tills13 2mo ago
  reading "those who pay more in taxes should have a greater say in how the government is spending the money" and NOT taking that to mean what the OP is suggesting it to mean is naive. Everyone knows what Tobias meant when he said that.

Swizec 2mo ago

> Tobias Lutke /../ has most recently advocated for a pay-to-play version of democracy where wealth determines your ability to participate He’s just looking at america post Citizens United and wishing he could ull the same shenans in Canada. It’s been working very well for the folks and orgs who can afford it

fourseventy 2mo ago

People are only allowed to take funding from investors whose politics align with yours?

an0malous 2mo ago
They stated their preference, not that there should be a rule to enforce their preference.
antonyt 2mo ago
"I think this guy is dumb and wrong. Oh no, this dumb wrong guy is going to have outsized influence on a project I'm interested in. Oh no, this dumb wrong guy may profit from a project I'm interested in. Oh no, this dumb wrong guy is using his wealth to do dumb wrong things." This is a normal and reasonable thought process.

otterley 2mo ago

Does Mitchell even need to take outside funding?

bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago

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slowin 2mo ago
I'm sure the people who would have their right to vote stripped from them would consider that malicious, and they would be correct. That's not democracy.
- bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
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  - slowin 2mo ago
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    - bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
      > I think most people will agree that empowering the edgelord Shopify CEO is not going to improve most people's outcomes. This is another logical fallacy https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argumentum_ad_populum > All you need to do is read his tweets to see that he should have less power (much less), not more I'd like you to make a real argument. What specific tweet of his implies he should have less power and why?
      - slowin 2mo ago
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        bagxrvxpepzn 2mo ago
        > You made the unsubstantiated claim that people would want their right to vote stripped from them. That wasn't a claim, it was a hypothetical. > I do not think people want guys like this in power: https://xcancel.com/tobi/status/2081155797640171641 https://xcancel.com/tobi/status/2081155797640171641 What is it specifically about this tweet that means him being in power would have bad outcomes?