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I thought bird poop was the commonly accepted explanation 7000 years ago is the edge of recorded human civilization (well 8000 years, I remember this because
by ck2 2mo ago
I thought bird poop was the commonly accepted explanation
7000 years ago is the edge of recorded human civilization
(well 8000 years, I remember this because it's also the edge of a gamma ray burst in light years that could destroy all life on earth after traveling all that time)
- sejje 2mo agoIt doesn't matter if it's recorded. This is inferred, not written down. Hunter-gatherers aren't known for their civilizations.
- t-3 2mo agoCivilization refers to cities, not literature. Urban societies need writing and complex social rules to survive, but it's not as if those things can't or haven't arisen in other types of human societies.
- bluGill 2mo agoHave they? I'm no historian, but from what I can tell following discussions of real historians they think that alphabet developed exactly once, and then spread (this leaves open the possibility non-alphabet writing may have developed separately). Also I believe that Urban society is needed just to give enough people enough leisure time to sit and think of things like this. Hunter gathers can learn to read/write, but to figure it out they couldn't do.
- masklinn 2mo ago> 7000 years ago is the edge of recorded human civilization (well 8000 years The earliest pre-pottery Neolithic complexes are nearly 4000 years older than that.
- ikidd 2mo agoDid they have writing and kept records that we've found? That's the "recorded" part.
- 0points 2mo agoIn Norway, the oldest written records are barely 1000 years old.
- masklinn 2mo agoIf writing is your yardstick then 7000 years is way too far back. There was likely proto-writing back then (some of the figures at gobekli tepe are found in a very similar form in later scripts of the area[1], there are clearer forms of proto-writings from CA 6000~7000 BCE in various cultures) however writing proper is only currently known from 3000 BCE onwards. [1] https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330759548_World's_First_Known_Written_Word_at_Gobekli_Tepe_on_T-Shaped_Pillar_18_Means_God https://www.researchgate.net/publication/330759548_World's_F...
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- ck2 2mo agosome disagreement emerges from the fact that there are several "cradles" of civilization, not just one where everything spread from so they each have different timelines/landmarks * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cradle_of_civilization > The concept of a cradle of civilization has a focus where the inhabitants came to build cities, to create writing systems, to experiment in techniques for making pottery and using metals, to domesticate animals, and to develop complex social structures involving class systems > Today, scholarship generally identifies six areas where civilization emerged independently: the Fertile Crescent, including Mesopotamia and the Levant; the Nile Valley in Northeast Africa; the Indo-Gangetic Plain; the North China Plain; the Andean Coast; and the Mesoamerican Gulf Coast