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At least in retro spaces there's a lot of rejection of using AI to do things. I suspect the community will fracture, and then once the pro-AI side shows off mo

At least in retro spaces there's a lot of rejection of using AI to do things. I suspect the community will fracture, and then once the pro-AI side shows off more and more of the amazing things they accomplished, they'll grow while the anti-AI side will eventually dry up into a few luddites. I'm old enough to have been on the anti-HLL side when I was handwriting Asm for the PC, but of course HLLs took over because they're "good enough" and became a massive force multiplier.

anthk 2mo ago
A compiler and a assembler are predictable enough. An LLM will never be reproducible. Period. LLM base d AI's are doomed from the start.
- CamperBob2 2mo ago
  You hate to see that kind of ignorance at this level of play. Wouldn't such sentiments be better expressed elsewhere, on sites not populated by users who are actively doing what you say can't or shouldn't be done?
  - anthk 2mo ago
    Think whatever you want. Unless you are Donald Knuth level educated, you can't be 100% sure.
asiekierka 2mo ago
I think it is more likely that the "amazing" things, as described, will become mundane, thus shifting the definition of what becomes interesting or noteworthy. Even then, I believe people who continue to write by hand will still be appreciated, given this is fundamentally a hobbyist space. One good example is nocash, who continues to write all of his Windows-targetting emulators in hand-rolled assembly to this very day. For a long time, some of his emulators - most notably NO$GBA - were at the forefront of popularity among homebrew developers due to their unmatched debugging tools; even though one could make them much faster with an HLL, nobody really stepped up to the task. Even now, his work remains relevant thanks to the extensive documentation he maintained alongside the emulators he developed.
- TazeTSchnitzel 2mo ago
  NO$GBA is written in assembly language?! I can't believe it.
  - asiekierka 2mo ago
    > All no$gba program code, both emulation and user interface, is all hand-crafted and pure assembler code. https://problemkaputt.de/gba-dev.htm https://problemkaputt.de/gba-dev.htm
ChoGGi 2mo ago
Proud to be a Luddite. Less so in the hobby area, more so in the "they're taking our jobs" area.
- CamperBob2 2mo ago
  Do you make your own shirts and pants, too?
CursedSilicon 2mo ago
Actually, one of the larger youtubers is currently facing massive backlash from his own community because all his projects are done by the slop machine :) The great thing about retro computing is we want to see what people come up with. Not slop bots!
- userbinator 2mo ago
  To be precise, it's people using AI.
- xp84 2mo ago
  I massively disagree. If someone uses AI to port a whole game engine to $RETRO_OS and that means I can port a great game to that OS by hand that I wouldn't have been able to do otherwise, everybody has won there.
xp84 2mo ago
I hope most people are like Obama's energy strategy, famously described as "All of the above."[1] -- the AI-powered efforts don't take away anyone's ability to do amazing "by hand" accomplishments. There's so much in the problem space that there's no chance of all the interesting projects being "solved with AI." I want everyone interested to be building things, with or without AI as they prefer. [1] https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/aota_energy_strategy_as_a_path_to_sustainable_economic_growth.pdf https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/doc...

anthk 2mo ago

A compiler and a assembler are predictable enough. An LLM will never be reproducible. Period. LLM base d AI's are doomed from the start.

CamperBob2 2mo ago
You hate to see that kind of ignorance at this level of play. Wouldn't such sentiments be better expressed elsewhere, on sites not populated by users who are actively doing what you say can't or shouldn't be done?
- anthk 2mo ago
  Think whatever you want. Unless you are Donald Knuth level educated, you can't be 100% sure.

asiekierka 2mo ago

I think it is more likely that the "amazing" things, as described, will become mundane, thus shifting the definition of what becomes interesting or noteworthy. Even then, I believe people who continue to write by hand will still be appreciated, given this is fundamentally a hobbyist space. One good example is nocash, who continues to write all of his Windows-targetting emulators in hand-rolled assembly to this very day. For a long time, some of his emulators - most notably NO$GBA - were at the forefront of popularity among homebrew developers due to their unmatched debugging tools; even though one could make them much faster with an HLL, nobody really stepped up to the task. Even now, his work remains relevant thanks to the extensive documentation he maintained alongside the emulators he developed.

TazeTSchnitzel 2mo ago
NO$GBA is written in assembly language?! I can't believe it.
- asiekierka 2mo ago
  > All no$gba program code, both emulation and user interface, is all hand-crafted and pure assembler code. https://problemkaputt.de/gba-dev.htm https://problemkaputt.de/gba-dev.htm

ChoGGi 2mo ago

Proud to be a Luddite. Less so in the hobby area, more so in the "they're taking our jobs" area.

CamperBob2 2mo ago
Do you make your own shirts and pants, too?

CursedSilicon 2mo ago

Actually, one of the larger youtubers is currently facing massive backlash from his own community because all his projects are done by the slop machine :) The great thing about retro computing is we want to see what people come up with. Not slop bots!

userbinator 2mo ago
To be precise, it's people using AI.
xp84 2mo ago
I massively disagree. If someone uses AI to port a whole game engine to $RETRO_OS and that means I can port a great game to that OS by hand that I wouldn't have been able to do otherwise, everybody has won there.

xp84 2mo ago

I hope most people are like Obama's energy strategy, famously described as "All of the above."[1] -- the AI-powered efforts don't take away anyone's ability to do amazing "by hand" accomplishments. There's so much in the problem space that there's no chance of all the interesting projects being "solved with AI." I want everyone interested to be building things, with or without AI as they prefer. [1] https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/docs/aota_energy_strategy_as_a_path_to_sustainable_economic_growth.pdf https://obamawhitehouse.archives.gov/sites/default/files/doc...