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Donate to GrapheneOS
- pluto_modadic 2mo ago:) nice, topical
- casper14 2mo agoGiven how long I've been using Graphene, this is not a bad idea also because there has been increasing pressure from governments clamping down on privacy solutions
- dvh 2mo agoWhy not sell phones?
- mschild 2mo agoBecause that would require a massive network and additional legal liabilities. Partnering with Motorola seems to be the best bet.
- t0mpr1c3 2mo agoMotorola... which used to be owned by Google (naturally).
- pocksuppet 2mo agohttps://proxysto.re/en/ https://proxysto.re/en/ sells GrapheneOS phones, with worldwide shipping I believe. They do donate a portion of every sale to GrapheneOS. However, you're recommended to install GrapheneOS yourself and not buy it from someone else, so that you know it hasn't been tampered with.
- HDBaseT 2mo agoI feel like this glows.
- Cider9986 2mo agoYou can verify it was installed correctly using boot hash+attestation+factory reset. Much easier to just install yourself though. They have instructions for verifying. Many services sell phones with GrapheneOS preloaded. Can be easily verified but no benefit for most people so it probably doesn't glow. Proxysto.re seems to list good services as well and minimizes data. Accepting Monero is positive for their trust as well.
- pocksuppet 2mo agoI've been to the store personally. Seemed alright. I can't prove their stuff isn't tampered with, but it's an ordinary store run by a bit of a privacy/self-defense nut.
- bluebarbet 2mo agoThis is surely the closest to a solution we have, IMO. An alternative to the Android-iOS duopoly that involves futzing with cables and command lines is never going to go mainstream. By contrast, a vertically integrated FOSS(ish) hardware-software stack might eventually get to 5% market share, like desktop Linux. At which point companies and governments will be forced to take software freedom slightly more seriously. That's my optimistic take.
- gertop 2mo ago> An alternative to the Android-iOS duopoly that involves futzing with cables and command lines is never going to go mainstream All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable. > By contrast, a vertically integrated FOSS(ish) hardware-software stack might eventually get to 5% market share, like desktop Linux Those exists. They've never gained traction. If you think graphene is too much tinkering, you'll be traumatised by that landscape.
- bluebarbet 2mo ago>All you need to install graphene is a web browser and USB cable. Outside a section of the Western middle class, ordinary people in 2026 only own one computer and it's in their pocket.
- Itoldmyselfso 2mo agoYou can install GOS via another Android phone...
- bluebarbet 2mo agoStill too complicated for just about anyone except the kind of people who frequent this forum.
- Cider9986 2mo agoGrapheneos has take over the alternative OS scene even with manual installations. ~400k+ users based on updates (no telemetry). Anyone can sell phones with it preinstalled and you can verify it's a legit install. They mentioned they would like to eventually have Motorolas sold with it as stock so that's hopeful.
- jitix 2mo agoThey could partner with Fairphone and each can bring their complementary competencies.
- doug-moen 2mo agoYou are asking if a partnership with Fairphone would bring in revenue for GrapheneOS. Fairphone would need to design a new phone with hardware that meets the security requirements of GrapheneOS, which is what Motorola is doing in the announced partnership. There is the development cost, and then the new phone hardware would be more expensive than the Fairphone 6. For Fairphone, there is the question of whether the cost of developing this new phone will be recovered in sales of this more expensive phone. Would Fairphone give GrapheneOS a big enough share of the profits to fund the port of GrapheneOS to this new hardware and pay for the share of the costs of the monthly software updates? Otherwise it wouldn't reduce GrapheneOS's need to fundraise via donations, which is the subject of this thread. I don't know if Motorola is offering any cash to GrapheneOS, but they are a famous enough manufacturer that the partnership will raise the profile of GrapheneOS and help them be more successful. By contrast, I'm not sure how many people have heard of Fairphone but have not heard of GrapheneOS. The only reason I've heard of either project is through tech social media. Retail outlets in my area don't sell Fairphone and local mobile operators don't offer Fairphone hardware. But these guys do offer Motorola. In summary, I'm not sure a Fairphone GrapheneOS partnership makes financial sense for either project, even if it sounds great from a tech nerd perspective.
- jitix 2mo agoIn all honesty, I first found out about LineageOS while looking for “pure Android”, then GrapheneOS when I wanted more sane privacy defaults and only then I learned about Fairphone when I started looking for devices to run GrapheneOS and discovered that it would need a Google Pixel. I’m super excited about the Motorola partnership!
- grapheneos 2mo agoFairphones have very poor security at a hardware, firmware and software level. They've shown complete disinterest in making devices meeting our requirements. https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-standard-privacysecurity-patches-and-protections-arent-private https://discuss.grapheneos.org/d/24134-devices-lacking-stand... Fairphone is closely partnered with /e/ and Murena which have repeatedly claimed GrapheneOS mainly benefits criminals and pedophiles. They've also said that about hardened devices in general on several occasions. They've falsely claimed GrapheneOS is mainly used by GrapheneOS. That's part of years of misleading people about what GrapheneOS provides to promote their products. Fairphone stood by them on this. https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 It's very relevant the context leading someone to post this thread. /e/ and Murena directly got involved in attacking us during the attacks on GrapheneOS with misinformation in France by a national law enforcement agency. Many of the claims made to attack it closely resemble years of past attacks by /e/ and Murena falsely framing it as being for criminals and not suited for regular people.
- joecot 2mo agoMotorola will be releasing phones compatible with GrapheneOS, though it's unclear if they will ship with GrapheneOS.
- imzadi 2mo agoI got a Pixel 10 during prime day and installed GrapheneOS with Cape for the provider. So far, it's been mostly great. The only setback, for me, is the lack of support for tap to pay. I haven't been able to get any wallet app to work. I keep my iphone with minimal service mainly to still have tap to pay and do facetime with my book club.
- dgrabla 2mo agoPaypal works for payment, at least in Germany
- jp191919 2mo agoIf you use a case you could put a card behind your phone. I still use google wallet for various cards, just not tap-to-pay.
- giantg2 2mo agoWhy Cape instead of Phreeli?
- handedness 2mo agoAs honeypots go (I'm only joking, well, half-joking), Cape's pretty great on a lot of levels. I'm glad Cape has competition and hope Phreeli succeeds, but the time when I'd happily contribute to anything he starts is long gone. The substantial credibility he genuinely earned has finally been fully spent, at least for me, but I do hope it becomes a viable option.
- johndoyle 2mo agoI appreciate this joke :) John CEO of Cape
- handedness 2mo agoHalf-appreciated it, I hope. Is there any hope of Verizon's network being added to your coverage? I spend a lot of time in pretty remote places and Cape's coverage is up there with its pricing in terms of being a major barrier to retention.
- tomatopepper 2mo agoAlso, gonna post the crowdfunding link for Samuel Tunick, the American protestor facing federal charges for allegedly giving a DHS officer a GrapheneOS duress password: https://www.givesendgo.com/letsamgo https://www.givesendgo.com/letsamgo It's important he beats his charges to prevent setting an unfavorable precedent for digital privacy rights.
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- copper-float 2mo agoYou don't have to install Google Play Services at all. If you have to install it anyway, then Graphene's implementation seems a lot more mature than microG or any other solution out there for /e/ OS.
- ktosobcy 2mo agoThat's the thing - I do prefer microG approach (or spoofing it altogether). However, ideally - we should strive to have a generic interface (for location and push) to which (privacy preserving) implementations could be provided (akin microG) instead of saying everything is dandy and just propping up Play Services more "because there is nothing wrong by having to install them and we sandbox it"… meh…
- grapheneos 2mo agoNeither of those is a privacy or security hardened OS. AOSP is much more private and secure than the desktop Linux software stack and GrapheneOS greatly improves upon it. GrapheneOS does not promote Google services. /e/ always gives privileged access to Google apps and services and ships with a bunch of Google services active default. GrapheneOS doesn't come with sandboxed Google Play and doesn't connect to Google servers by default. https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://eylenburg.github.io/android_comparison.htm https://grapheneos.org/features https://grapheneos.org/features We have a non-exclusive partnership with Motorola Mobility to bring GrapheneOS to their next generation and later devices. This is necessary because non-Pixel devices don't provide the updates or hardware-based security features we need. GrapheneOS supports the latest available Pixels and plans to add support for future Pixels alongside our partnership with Motorola, which is not exclusive and does not preclude having additional OEM partnerships. /e/ greatly reduces privacy and security compared to the standard Android Open Source Project. /e/ has repeatedly claimed hardened devices mainly benefit criminals and pedophiles and have falsely claimed GrapheneOS is mainly used by criminals on multiple occasions too. That's very relevant to the context leading to someone creating this thread. https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171 https://grapheneos.social/@GrapheneOS/116353973732143171
- wizzwizz4 2mo agoThey start their list with "GitHub Sponsors (credit card)", then list five cryptocurrencies (Bitcoin, Monero, Zcash, Ethereum, Cardano, Litecoin), two of which have "We aren't looking for donations of tokens, only Ethereum [resp. Cardano] itself." Then Wise Quick Pay, then Local Bank Transfer (providing the Wise bank details for Belgium, UK, US, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, Hungary, and Turkey), then PayPal (in CAD, USD, EUR, GBP – pointing out the PayPal fee), and finally Interac e-Transfer. I wonder whether there's a reason for this order? Also, PayPal's fee, as described, is fairly steep: > PayPal charges a base fee of 30 cents and 2.9% of the donation amount within Canada. There's an additional 0.8% fee for donations from the US and 1% for other countries. Currency conversion adds an additional 4% fee as opposed to the usual PayPal conversion fee of 3%.
- nvme0n1p1 2mo agoMaybe they're listing in increasing order of payment processor fees?
- KomoD 2mo agoOr it's just in no particular order
- wizzwizz4 2mo agoCan't be, because bank transfers are free in much of the world, and cryptocurrencies all(?) have a transaction fee.
- Cider9986 2mo agoCrypto is good for them because they pay most (all?) their devs with it. Monero has ~1 cent transaction fee ime so negligible compared to a comparable speed transfer with banks. They also support Monero and Zcash because they are privacy respecting unlike banks.
- wizzwizz4 2mo agoIn what way are banks not privacy-respecting?
- amazingamazing 2mo agoGrapheneOS looks pretty solid alas ios has the apps I prefer.
- Cider9986 2mo agoWhat apps? Everyone said apple has the best apps but I've not found that to be the case. The apps apple develops sure, but Android as a wonderful foss app community.
- MrDrMcCoy 2mo agoEveryone I've ever encountered say something like this and then switch to Android cease to have any noteworthy complaints after the first month. There's a transition period for sure, and then it stops being an actual problem.
- thrownawaysz 2mo agoI always found it funny that the first step of leaving the Google smartphone ecosystem is to buy a Google phone
- user00005 2mo agoIt is the worst part of it. The good thing is there are $500 models offered which minimizes how much money you have to send to google.
- dreamcompiler 2mo agoSame here. This situation is so mind-bogglingly ridiculous that I don't know how anybody takes GrapheneOS seriously. I mean, let's say I wanted to buy a big airplane but I don't like Boeing. Airbus looks pretty good and they invite me to their factory to pick out a plane. But then they insist I fly to their factory on a Boeing plane. I'd assume they were joking, and then they say "Really, we're serious." No Airbus for me I guess.
- Itoldmyselfso 2mo agoYou can always buy an used Pixel. GOS only supports phones with hardware that they deem secure enough, and Google is currently the only manufacturer that makes phones that match their requirements[1], with upcoming Motorola phones that also support or even come with GOS installed coming out next year. I find this point so obvious that I can't understand people making comments like "can't take them seriously": you make security/privacy OS, having insecure hardware that compromises the whole project would simply not make any sense. Ask other manufacturers to do better. 1: https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices https://grapheneos.org/faq#future-devices
- theandrewbailey 2mo agoThis. I bought an open box Pixel for a mild discount. I have a friend that used to work at Best Buy. He said so many people would try to switch from iPhone to Pixel, but decide they didn't like it and return the phone.
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- chasil 2mo agoIf I donate, can we get the Lineage keyboard with all the symbols in the same places? I'd actually love to have the Holo keyboard back. That was my favorite.
- Cider9986 2mo agoThey don't do donations with strings. But also you can just install your own keyboard app. They will likely make a replacement version eventually, it's planned to replace the stock apps that are bad.
- canada_dry 2mo agoHere's hoping Pixel releases a flip phone 11 and Graphene support follows. The Motorola razr has crease issues that they seem to want to ignore and Samsung has locked down their phones so root is impractical.
- notRobot 2mo ago> Motorola razr has crease issues that they seem to want to ignore Details please?
- canada_dry 2mo agoThe razr forum on reddit has some examples. It doesn't seem extremely common, but the reports are for phones that are relatively new - not even two years of use.
- hootz 2mo agoI would if I could even use their OS. Pixel phones are not available in my country and to import them is to pay 3x the amount I would spend on another phone.
- DANmode 2mo agoThe OS isn’t compatible with hardware without basic security features. Build it yourself for other phones if you want to have a security-focused OS without most of the security.
- LelouBil 2mo agoJust waiting for the Motorolas that will have first party graphene os support. That's the only thing that will make me change my phone from 2019 still on life support thanks to custom roms
- ChrisArchitect 2mo agoCurrent/Relevant GrapheneOS discussion: GrapheneOS Defends Data-Wiping Function That Blocked US Border Search https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49085236 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49085236 US Government targets Cop City protester over phone operating system https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49024436 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=49024436
- prism56 2mo agoI donate £10 a month to a rotating set of causes and Graphene OS is one. However they did recently say they have plenty of funding and need to start spending it. Ive tried and tried but I can't find the x post now
- Cider9986 2mo agoI also saw that post.