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When I mentioned Iran in my mind I was including all of their terrorist proxies (Hamas/Palestine, Hezbollah, Yemen, &c.). I didn't intend to rank order here. I

by ericmay 3mo ago

When I mentioned Iran in my mind I was including all of their terrorist proxies (Hamas/Palestine, Hezbollah, Yemen, &c.). I didn't intend to rank order here. I should have been more clear - my fault. > America is destroying boats in the western hemisphere with missiles instead of interdicting and following international law. The list goes on... Yea but that's a misunderstanding on the part of those who look at these activities and then think they know what's going on. > It is also likely you are overestimating the support from Russia and China. Well now that the US is becoming much more assertive we've been able to diminish that support and show, as you can I think see as well, how ineffective both Russian and Chinese support for 3rd party countries is. That includes not just Venezuela but Iran as well. The point though is less so to do with the specific level of support, and more of the general anti-democratic alignment that these nations find themselves supporting.

verdverm 3mo ago
I find it hard to debate when you cannot acknowledge our own (american) propaganda and the effect it has on our people. Watching international news will show you things you cannot find from domestic sources. France24 is my primary. Another thing you will see is far more decorum in reporting.
- ericmay 3mo ago
  I acknowledge it but too often it's the primary topic and I think it's of less importance. What are the facts and what policies and such are we pursuing? That's what is important. What are your biases? What international news are you watching that is feeding you misinformation about the current state of the world? This goes both ways. I'm not sure specifically what you wanted to debate though, but I'd be happy to do so. France24 is fine but you have to remember that international news is also extremely subject to certain biases and propaganda effects despite the marketing around transparency. I watch international news, and read and speak very basic French and have traveled throughout the world so I'm well acquainted with such topics. I'm admittedly a little disappointed that when you found someone seemingly disagreeing with you that you immediately turned to suggesting that I need to acknowledge some unknown propaganda effect and that such an effect colors my worldview or understanding of various topics to such a degree that I must not know what I'm talking about or whatever.
  - verdverm 3mo ago
    > some unknown propaganda effect The number of Americans that believe the 2020 elections were stolen is one place where we can see effect (I make no assumptions about your position on this topic)
    - ericmay 3mo ago
      I'm not following your point here. Americans are subject to propaganda? Yes so are every other country and people on the planet. And no, the election wasn't stolen.
rbanffy 3mo ago
> that's a misunderstanding on the part of those who look at these activities and then think they know what's going on So, bombing civilian boats rather than intercepting them, then bombing the survivors, is not what it looks it is. Would you like to explain what it is?
- ericmay 3mo ago
  Sure. Drug and human traffickers don't operate military boats? If another country wants to use its navy and sail to South America and spend money intercepting these folks to stop criminal behavior, that would be great. Less of my tax dollars being used. Otherwise it seems to me we can take care of the problem ourselves as we see fit. No different than drone strikes under the Obama administration. Some of course see an issue with both, but I don't.
  - sebastiennight 3mo ago
    > human traffickers Wait, I might be a bit out of the loop here, but are you saying that "double tapping" boats loaded with victims of human trafficking is "stopping criminal behavior"?
    - ericmay 3mo ago
      Yes you’re out of the loop. No, that’s not what is being said. Hope that helps.
      - sebastiennight 3mo ago
        Would you care to share any source indicating that any of these civilian boats that were destroyed, were carrying human traffickers (but, apparently, not any trafficked victims)?
        ericmay 3mo ago
        You can traffic drugs on your boat and people on land. Who would have thought? Why are you over-indexing on whether the US allegedly killed people being trafficked? Why would that thought even come to your mind? Can you share a news article or something? And no, I did not claim that people were being smuggled on boats. But if you don’t like how the US is handling it please let us know your proposed solution and which non-US countries will interdict these boats and stop their activities (and of course on land too).

by ericmay 3mo ago

verdverm 3mo ago

I find it hard to debate when you cannot acknowledge our own (american) propaganda and the effect it has on our people. Watching international news will show you things you cannot find from domestic sources. France24 is my primary. Another thing you will see is far more decorum in reporting.

ericmay 3mo ago
I acknowledge it but too often it's the primary topic and I think it's of less importance. What are the facts and what policies and such are we pursuing? That's what is important. What are your biases? What international news are you watching that is feeding you misinformation about the current state of the world? This goes both ways. I'm not sure specifically what you wanted to debate though, but I'd be happy to do so. France24 is fine but you have to remember that international news is also extremely subject to certain biases and propaganda effects despite the marketing around transparency. I watch international news, and read and speak very basic French and have traveled throughout the world so I'm well acquainted with such topics. I'm admittedly a little disappointed that when you found someone seemingly disagreeing with you that you immediately turned to suggesting that I need to acknowledge some unknown propaganda effect and that such an effect colors my worldview or understanding of various topics to such a degree that I must not know what I'm talking about or whatever.
- verdverm 3mo ago
  > some unknown propaganda effect The number of Americans that believe the 2020 elections were stolen is one place where we can see effect (I make no assumptions about your position on this topic)
  - ericmay 3mo ago
    I'm not following your point here. Americans are subject to propaganda? Yes so are every other country and people on the planet. And no, the election wasn't stolen.

rbanffy 3mo ago

> that's a misunderstanding on the part of those who look at these activities and then think they know what's going on So, bombing civilian boats rather than intercepting them, then bombing the survivors, is not what it looks it is. Would you like to explain what it is?

ericmay 3mo ago
Sure. Drug and human traffickers don't operate military boats? If another country wants to use its navy and sail to South America and spend money intercepting these folks to stop criminal behavior, that would be great. Less of my tax dollars being used. Otherwise it seems to me we can take care of the problem ourselves as we see fit. No different than drone strikes under the Obama administration. Some of course see an issue with both, but I don't.
- sebastiennight 3mo ago
  > human traffickers Wait, I might be a bit out of the loop here, but are you saying that "double tapping" boats loaded with victims of human trafficking is "stopping criminal behavior"?
  - ericmay 3mo ago
    Yes you’re out of the loop. No, that’s not what is being said. Hope that helps.
    - sebastiennight 3mo ago
      Would you care to share any source indicating that any of these civilian boats that were destroyed, were carrying human traffickers (but, apparently, not any trafficked victims)?
      - ericmay 3mo ago
        You can traffic drugs on your boat and people on land. Who would have thought? Why are you over-indexing on whether the US allegedly killed people being trafficked? Why would that thought even come to your mind? Can you share a news article or something? And no, I did not claim that people were being smuggled on boats. But if you don’t like how the US is handling it please let us know your proposed solution and which non-US countries will interdict these boats and stop their activities (and of course on land too).