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I think it's a missed opportunity to not have called it "Stop spying on every EU citizen online". It would make for great headlines and might finally wake peopl

I think it's a missed opportunity to not have called it "Stop spying on every EU citizen online". It would make for great headlines and might finally wake people up when they see that the EU has rejected a proposal called that. "Stop killing the internet" unfortunately means nothing at all to the layman, they will still be using it pretty much exactly as they were before, and governments will just claim "See, internet is still working".

edoceo 3mo ago
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ben_w 3mo ago
Agreed. I think it's time that "please let 1800 analytics firms monitor your every browsing habit in exchange for this content" was seen in the same light as "please let 1800 private foreign espionage and propaganda agencies spy on you".
- hunterpayne 3mo ago
  Yes, absolutely...people drastically underestimate how much political propaganda on social media is from targeted foreign operations. Getting children and those propaganda operations off "adult"/anonymous social media would be so beneficial to all of society. The EU is actively doing something else though...I doubt the propaganda operations would even be slowed down by the EU's efforts.
jck86 3mo ago
You may be overthinking this. It is privacy that means little to the regular joe. The internet they use every day and it being changed beyond recognition is much more tangible than privacy being curtailed just a little bit more. And these authoritarian politicians will destroy the internet with these actions. Maybe they will even change society as we know it, and not for the better. The problem is thinking such initiatives will achieve anything in a bureaucratic system devoid of honest debate and actual democracy. These citizen's initiatives must at least be tried but simultaneously we must create a new internet forever out of politician reach.
Cider9986 3mo ago
"Stop enabling pedophiles in government"
skeptic_ai 3mo ago
And keep pushing this until it passes. Keep repeating like they do chat control.
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khazhoux 3mo ago
Great point. Reminds me of Biden’s constant whisper-scream “the future of democracy is at stake!” Like, yeah, it was an accurate statement, but total shit if your goal is to get people up off the couch and into voting booth. Way too abstract and high-minded

edoceo 3mo ago

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ben_w 3mo ago

Agreed. I think it's time that "please let 1800 analytics firms monitor your every browsing habit in exchange for this content" was seen in the same light as "please let 1800 private foreign espionage and propaganda agencies spy on you".

hunterpayne 3mo ago
Yes, absolutely...people drastically underestimate how much political propaganda on social media is from targeted foreign operations. Getting children and those propaganda operations off "adult"/anonymous social media would be so beneficial to all of society. The EU is actively doing something else though...I doubt the propaganda operations would even be slowed down by the EU's efforts.

jck86 3mo ago

You may be overthinking this. It is privacy that means little to the regular joe. The internet they use every day and it being changed beyond recognition is much more tangible than privacy being curtailed just a little bit more. And these authoritarian politicians will destroy the internet with these actions. Maybe they will even change society as we know it, and not for the better. The problem is thinking such initiatives will achieve anything in a bureaucratic system devoid of honest debate and actual democracy. These citizen's initiatives must at least be tried but simultaneously we must create a new internet forever out of politician reach.

Cider9986 3mo ago

"Stop enabling pedophiles in government"

skeptic_ai 3mo ago

And keep pushing this until it passes. Keep repeating like they do chat control.

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khazhoux 3mo ago

Great point. Reminds me of Biden’s constant whisper-scream “the future of democracy is at stake!” Like, yeah, it was an accurate statement, but total shit if your goal is to get people up off the couch and into voting booth. Way too abstract and high-minded