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I don’t see how it can’t be both. Yes, it is a felony, unarguably, but it’s also a first of its kind and I’ll be very interested in who law enforcement prosecut

by baq 2mo ago

I don’t see how it can’t be both. Yes, it is a felony, unarguably, but it’s also a first of its kind and I’ll be very interested in who law enforcement prosecutes and what the judiciary says about this. Almost everything is a precedent here except ‘somebody got hacked’.

ses1984 2mo ago
If someone invents a new weapon to hurt someone, is the first inflicted injury unprecedented?
- breppp 2mo ago
  Intent is a major part of a crime severity, and it's hard to attribute intent to OpenAI here
  - dgellow 2mo ago
    The intent is something that has to be determined as part of the investigation and following judgement. But will we see an actual investigation by law enforcement?
  - ses1984 2mo ago
    There can be crime without intent, like manslaughter.
pocksuppet 2mo ago
White-hat hackers go to prison for running a scanner on a website and reporting the found vulnerabilities to the website owner without exploiting them. I don't see why this should be any different.
- baq 2mo ago
  It's different since there was no single physical person who executed the hack or even asked for it. Intent is the difference between manslaughter and murder and we couldn't technically in any reasonable way commit an accidental hack into a computer system before approximately last month (or last quarter if we consider Mythos previews to be capable of this.)
  - dgellow 2mo ago
    Intent is a result of an investigation, it’s not something you need beforehand
- literalAardvark 2mo ago
  It's different for the same reason why AI can't own copyright.
stronglikedan 2mo ago
It's not a first of it's kind. AI is a hammer, and the one wielding the hammer is responsible for those hurt by the hammer. It's a classic case of the powerful not being held accountable. It's a tale as old as time.

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I don’t see how it can’t be both. Yes, it is a felony, unarguably, but it’s also a first of its kind and I’ll be very interested in who law enforcement prosecut

by baq 2mo ago

ses1984 2mo ago
If someone invents a new weapon to hurt someone, is the first inflicted injury unprecedented?
- breppp 2mo ago
  Intent is a major part of a crime severity, and it's hard to attribute intent to OpenAI here
  - dgellow 2mo ago
    The intent is something that has to be determined as part of the investigation and following judgement. But will we see an actual investigation by law enforcement?
  - ses1984 2mo ago
    There can be crime without intent, like manslaughter.
pocksuppet 2mo ago
White-hat hackers go to prison for running a scanner on a website and reporting the found vulnerabilities to the website owner without exploiting them. I don't see why this should be any different.
- baq 2mo ago
  It's different since there was no single physical person who executed the hack or even asked for it. Intent is the difference between manslaughter and murder and we couldn't technically in any reasonable way commit an accidental hack into a computer system before approximately last month (or last quarter if we consider Mythos previews to be capable of this.)
  - dgellow 2mo ago
    Intent is a result of an investigation, it’s not something you need beforehand
- literalAardvark 2mo ago
  It's different for the same reason why AI can't own copyright.
stronglikedan 2mo ago
It's not a first of it's kind. AI is a hammer, and the one wielding the hammer is responsible for those hurt by the hammer. It's a classic case of the powerful not being held accountable. It's a tale as old as time.