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Same thing happens almost every release. I've stopped updating my Mac machine until I see something in the release notes I literally have to have in order to co

Same thing happens almost every release. I've stopped updating my Mac machine until I see something in the release notes I literally have to have in order to continue doing macOS/iOS builds, otherwise I'm staying on the version I've validated to work, and I know the existing bugs with.

DavideNL 3mo ago
A better strategy would probably be to stick with the previous *major* release, but, do install its ("minor") security updates...
- embedding-shape 3mo ago
  > do install its ("minor") security updates Yeah, I thought so too, but surprise surprise; some months ago one of the "minor" updates "broke" ("upgraded") something that made my CI/CD setup stop working, that's when I dropped the idea that Apple even do "minor" updates anymore.
GeekyBear 3mo ago
As we used to say in the Windows world, wait for service pack 3.
- pjmlp 3mo ago
  That doesn't work any longer given patch tuesdays, at work wait that IT validates them and pushes the updates via managed WSU, at home, it is worthwhile wanting if something hits the news on WindowsCentral, Verge or what have you.
  - GeekyBear 3mo ago
    It doesn't work with Windows anymore, since Microsoft no longer allows the user to control their own computer. However, Software Update on Apple devices still allows you to turn off automatic update installation the way Windows used to.
    - pjmlp 3mo ago
      It does when using Professional and Workstation, there are still a few knobs available. For quite some time that I don't use home edition. I also would not bet on Apple staying that way.
      - GeekyBear 3mo ago
        "You can delay this update for a little while" simply isn't the same thing as "you still have full control over updates". It's right up there with Microsoft's "you are not allowed to turn telemetry all the way off", or all the efforts to require the use of an online Microsoft account to access your own computer.
        pjmlp 3mo ago
        You mean the efforts to follow Apple and Google footsteps and stores? Ever heard of Local Group Policy Editor?
        GeekyBear 3mo ago
        WindowsRT and Windows S were already attempts to lock down Windows to only allow apps from an app store. Secure Boot initially didn't allow the install of operating systems other than Windows. Microsoft is the company continually attempting to lock down their general purpose computers, not Apple. ...and no. Microsoft backing down aftet consumers revolt doesn't mean their attempts don't count.
        pjmlp 3mo ago
        Right, because Apple anyway never allowed anyone else, other than when they were almost bankrupt, went into a marketing action to pretend otherwise, now back to their former self as well with a nice bank account.

DavideNL 3mo ago

A better strategy would probably be to stick with the previous *major* release, but, do install its ("minor") security updates...

embedding-shape 3mo ago
> do install its ("minor") security updates Yeah, I thought so too, but surprise surprise; some months ago one of the "minor" updates "broke" ("upgraded") something that made my CI/CD setup stop working, that's when I dropped the idea that Apple even do "minor" updates anymore.

GeekyBear 3mo ago

As we used to say in the Windows world, wait for service pack 3.

pjmlp 3mo ago
That doesn't work any longer given patch tuesdays, at work wait that IT validates them and pushes the updates via managed WSU, at home, it is worthwhile wanting if something hits the news on WindowsCentral, Verge or what have you.
- GeekyBear 3mo ago
  It doesn't work with Windows anymore, since Microsoft no longer allows the user to control their own computer. However, Software Update on Apple devices still allows you to turn off automatic update installation the way Windows used to.
  - pjmlp 3mo ago
    It does when using Professional and Workstation, there are still a few knobs available. For quite some time that I don't use home edition. I also would not bet on Apple staying that way.
    - GeekyBear 3mo ago
      "You can delay this update for a little while" simply isn't the same thing as "you still have full control over updates". It's right up there with Microsoft's "you are not allowed to turn telemetry all the way off", or all the efforts to require the use of an online Microsoft account to access your own computer.
      - pjmlp 3mo ago
        You mean the efforts to follow Apple and Google footsteps and stores? Ever heard of Local Group Policy Editor?
        GeekyBear 3mo ago
        WindowsRT and Windows S were already attempts to lock down Windows to only allow apps from an app store. Secure Boot initially didn't allow the install of operating systems other than Windows. Microsoft is the company continually attempting to lock down their general purpose computers, not Apple. ...and no. Microsoft backing down aftet consumers revolt doesn't mean their attempts don't count.
        pjmlp 3mo ago
        Right, because Apple anyway never allowed anyone else, other than when they were almost bankrupt, went into a marketing action to pretend otherwise, now back to their former self as well with a nice bank account.