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How about we don't trust either of the proprietary shovel salesmen?

by sbarre 3mo ago

tyre 3mo ago
Again, what are you proposing for the problem of models becoming increasingly capable and dangerous? Be specific.
- hephaes7us 3mo ago
  Crime is already illegal.
  - unholiness 3mo ago
    And who is held responsible for crimes committed by AI? When open model A, fine tuned by B, is running with system prompt C, hosted by D running on E's hardware, is prompted by F to "fix this code", then escapes it's sandbox to hack into a website, or steal money to fund its subagents, or stall the waymo of the evaluator to buy time... who is responsible for the crime? Our current legal systems are so far from ready to define what A-F are actually responsible for. We need to be moving toward defining these standards fast.
    - watwut 3mo ago
      It is a software system, not a person. AI is not "escaping sandbox". You have either misconfigured tool, bug in your tool or someone made it to hack the side and then it is a crime. Your A-F chain is exactly the same issue as a programmer including an open source library that eventually steals crypto. None of that is issue with a model, whether open or not. It is very much issue with code surrounding the model itself.
- lenkite 3mo ago
  Until models become sentient, it requires a human to execute dangerous activities. Nations already have laws regarding what a human can and cannot do. Let us stick to that.
  - anthonypasq 3mo ago
    Im sorry but this is nonsense. You dont give people unrestricted access to explosives and then punish them after they blow something up. You prevent them from getting it in the first place if you actually believe the item is as dangerous as stated.
    - lenkite 3mo ago
      I am sorry but this is nonsense. People already have access on how to make explosives. There are academic textbooks and professional reference manuals that cover the science, synthesis, and industrial manufacturing of explosive materials. Information != physical medium.
- applfanboysbgon 3mo ago
  > increasingly capable and dangerous It's a fucking chatbot. The industry can fix their dogshit software, anyone who doesn't can get left behind and outcompeted by those who do, and we move on with our lives.

How about we don't trust either of the proprietary shovel salesmen?

by sbarre 3mo ago

How about we don't trust either of the proprietary shovel salesmen?

tyre 3mo ago

Again, what are you proposing for the problem of models becoming increasingly capable and dangerous? Be specific.

hephaes7us 3mo ago
Crime is already illegal.
- unholiness 3mo ago
  And who is held responsible for crimes committed by AI? When open model A, fine tuned by B, is running with system prompt C, hosted by D running on E's hardware, is prompted by F to "fix this code", then escapes it's sandbox to hack into a website, or steal money to fund its subagents, or stall the waymo of the evaluator to buy time... who is responsible for the crime? Our current legal systems are so far from ready to define what A-F are actually responsible for. We need to be moving toward defining these standards fast.
  - watwut 3mo ago
    It is a software system, not a person. AI is not "escaping sandbox". You have either misconfigured tool, bug in your tool or someone made it to hack the side and then it is a crime. Your A-F chain is exactly the same issue as a programmer including an open source library that eventually steals crypto. None of that is issue with a model, whether open or not. It is very much issue with code surrounding the model itself.
lenkite 3mo ago
Until models become sentient, it requires a human to execute dangerous activities. Nations already have laws regarding what a human can and cannot do. Let us stick to that.
- anthonypasq 3mo ago
  Im sorry but this is nonsense. You dont give people unrestricted access to explosives and then punish them after they blow something up. You prevent them from getting it in the first place if you actually believe the item is as dangerous as stated.
  - lenkite 3mo ago
    I am sorry but this is nonsense. People already have access on how to make explosives. There are academic textbooks and professional reference manuals that cover the science, synthesis, and industrial manufacturing of explosive materials. Information != physical medium.
applfanboysbgon 3mo ago
> increasingly capable and dangerous It's a fucking chatbot. The industry can fix their dogshit software, anyone who doesn't can get left behind and outcompeted by those who do, and we move on with our lives.