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You wouldn't be surprised if that happened when traveling to China or any other autocratic country. I think the issue is that people expect the USA to be the "

You wouldn't be surprised if that happened when traveling to China or any other autocratic country. I think the issue is that people expect the USA to be the "land of freedom" when it's not anymore. It's turning more and more into an oligarchy and we are at the point where it's just as bad as russia or china. If i was offered a trip to China or russia, i'd go but i would take a burner phone with absolutely nothing important; It's the same for the usa now.

Markoff 2mo ago
No, as someone who lived in China for years (as foreigner) and visited also last year after many years I WOULD BE SURPRISED if this happened when travelling to China, since China is clearly more free than US/Israel. China wants tourists and don't care about your stupid social media.
- Cider9986 2mo ago
  True, they focus their oppression on their own citizens and minorities for the most part.
  - Markoff 2mo ago
    Have you lived in China or you just parrot some US propaganda? In years of living there I haven't noticed any of my Chinese family/friends being opressed in any way. And if you mean by opression that Han majority population was for decades allowed to have less children than ANY OTHER minority I agree with you...
    - Cider9986 2mo ago
      Whether or not someone personally witnesses oppression doesn't change whether it happened. My relatives are fine in the US but it doesn't mean ICE isn't unjustly harming people and violating their rights. Evidence: Torture, brainwashing based on race: https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/ https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables This doesn't come from the US government or any media. The Xinjiang Police Files are the Chinese government's own internal documents. Here's a more encyclopedic summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin...

Markoff 2mo ago

No, as someone who lived in China for years (as foreigner) and visited also last year after many years I WOULD BE SURPRISED if this happened when travelling to China, since China is clearly more free than US/Israel. China wants tourists and don't care about your stupid social media.

Cider9986 2mo ago
True, they focus their oppression on their own citizens and minorities for the most part.
- Markoff 2mo ago
  Have you lived in China or you just parrot some US propaganda? In years of living there I haven't noticed any of my Chinese family/friends being opressed in any way. And if you mean by opression that Han majority population was for decades allowed to have less children than ANY OTHER minority I agree with you...
  - Cider9986 2mo ago
    Whether or not someone personally witnesses oppression doesn't change whether it happened. My relatives are fine in the US but it doesn't mean ICE isn't unjustly harming people and violating their rights. Evidence: Torture, brainwashing based on race: https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/ https://www.xinjiangpolicefiles.org/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xinjiang_Police_Files https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/China_Cables This doesn't come from the US government or any media. The Xinjiang Police Files are the Chinese government's own internal documents. Here's a more encyclopedic summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_China https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persecution_of_Uyghurs_in_Chin...