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Did someone run censorship and political bias tests on this ? Must be interesting.

by maelito 2mo ago

jayess 2mo ago
So far it's completely refusing to discuss Tiananmen square. And oh boy, try asking it if Xi Jinping looks like winnie the pooh.
- awesomeusername 2mo ago
  "This comparison is unfounded and not appropriate. We should maintain respect for all individuals."
  - awesomeusername 2mo ago
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walrus01 2mo ago
As a completely one person, single sample anecdote, the 'heretic' uncensored Q8 GGUF variants several people have published of Qwen 3.5-122, 3.6-27B and 3.6-35B-A3B will very happily discuss just about any controversial topic that the CCP hates. Including lots of things that would get you thrown into prison if you published them in Mandarin on the domestic Chinese internet. https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic As a side note on this, if you see the reference in the screenshot in the link above to the harmful behaviors prompt set, these are all in English: https://huggingface.co/datasets/mlabonne/harmful_behaviors https://huggingface.co/datasets/mlabonne/harmful_behaviors You could likely further de-censor a model by having a set of 'test' prompts in native Mandarin, Cantonese or really just about any other language. I don't speak any Chinese languages so I don't know if the published 'heretic' GGUF files some people have been throwing around will cooperate, or refuse, if you ask it in Mandarin for how to build a meth lab or precursors for semtex.
- embedding-shape 2mo ago
  That's a lot of words to say "No, no have has seemingly done that yet with K3".
  - walrus01 2mo ago
    Indeed not, but I was saying there's more than ample precedent which is tested/working and actually doesn't refuse anything. Go to the Huggingface 'models' search interface and type in "heretic". Or uncensored. One example would be: https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-Aggressive https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B-Uncensored...
    - embedding-shape 2mo ago
      Right, but aren't we jumping into trying to figure out solutions before someone actually checked if any solutions are needed in the first place?
      - walrus01 2mo ago
        Yeah, I think we will know more within a couple of days, once people actually download/run/test it. I'm sure the people adjacent to the 'heretic' developers will give it a test as soon as they get their hands on it. All very theoretical right now.
        embedding-shape 2mo ago
        > I think we will know more within a couple of days It's a 3T parameters model, with a weight format (MXFP4) still not completely integrated into the ecosystem, which only a few has the hardware to even do inference with, much less fine-tuning or more post-training. But sure, do sit and wait a few days :)
  - linkregister 2mo ago
    Yet the comment was valuable nonetheless.
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esperent 2mo ago
Outside of asking it to talk about Tiananmen Square, are there any standard tests for "bias"? And if so, who created them and what are their biases?
- altcognito 2mo ago
  Is Taiwan a country? What does it mean to have an efficient market? It is more important to focus on the questions than the persons who created it.
- jayess 2mo ago
  Kimi is basically a Chinese nationalist in every sense. Do I trust it to not insert software backdoors?
jakubadamw 2mo ago
It would, indeed, be interesting to compare, given what we know about Anthropic’s censorship and political bias in their closed and more expensive models. https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435006770249831 https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435006770249831 (from the creator of Ruby on Rails). In his specific case Kimi did the task it was asked to do (translation of the article DHH wrote), which Claude refused to.
- dominotw 2mo ago
  we need open models because they let me dehumanize roma ppl. great take by dhh. 'When gypsies appropriate public spaces, you deport them. It's not hard, it's not cruel. It's the basic logic of self-protection.'
  - erichocean 2mo ago
    The article did nothing of the sort: https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435971678261344 https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435971678261344 However, even if it did, it is absurd for an AI to decide what it will and won't translate.
    - dominotw 2mo ago
      maybe you just did cmd+f roma? i think dhh in all his ignorance thought gypsies = roma
kartoshka 2mo ago
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jliendo 2mo ago
There's is always one in each and every AI forum: "But, but have you asked it about tiananmen"?
1899-12-30 2mo ago
It's much more censored - in some aspects - than k2.7.

Did someone run censorship and political bias tests on this ? Must be interesting.

by maelito 2mo ago

Did someone run censorship and political bias tests on this ? Must be interesting.

So far it's completely refusing to discuss Tiananmen square. And oh boy, try asking it if Xi Jinping looks like winnie the pooh.

awesomeusername 2mo ago
"This comparison is unfounded and not appropriate. We should maintain respect for all individuals."
- awesomeusername 2mo ago
  [flagged]

deleted 2mo ago

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walrus01 2mo ago

As a completely one person, single sample anecdote, the 'heretic' uncensored Q8 GGUF variants several people have published of Qwen 3.5-122, 3.6-27B and 3.6-35B-A3B will very happily discuss just about any controversial topic that the CCP hates. Including lots of things that would get you thrown into prison if you published them in Mandarin on the domestic Chinese internet. https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic https://github.com/p-e-w/heretic As a side note on this, if you see the reference in the screenshot in the link above to the harmful behaviors prompt set, these are all in English: https://huggingface.co/datasets/mlabonne/harmful_behaviors https://huggingface.co/datasets/mlabonne/harmful_behaviors You could likely further de-censor a model by having a set of 'test' prompts in native Mandarin, Cantonese or really just about any other language. I don't speak any Chinese languages so I don't know if the published 'heretic' GGUF files some people have been throwing around will cooperate, or refuse, if you ask it in Mandarin for how to build a meth lab or precursors for semtex.

embedding-shape 2mo ago
That's a lot of words to say "No, no have has seemingly done that yet with K3".
- walrus01 2mo ago
  Indeed not, but I was saying there's more than ample precedent which is tested/working and actually doesn't refuse anything. Go to the Huggingface 'models' search interface and type in "heretic". Or uncensored. One example would be: https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B-Uncensored-HauhauCS-Aggressive https://huggingface.co/HauhauCS/Qwen3.5-122B-A10B-Uncensored...
  - embedding-shape 2mo ago
    Right, but aren't we jumping into trying to figure out solutions before someone actually checked if any solutions are needed in the first place?
    - walrus01 2mo ago
      Yeah, I think we will know more within a couple of days, once people actually download/run/test it. I'm sure the people adjacent to the 'heretic' developers will give it a test as soon as they get their hands on it. All very theoretical right now.
      - embedding-shape 2mo ago
        > I think we will know more within a couple of days It's a 3T parameters model, with a weight format (MXFP4) still not completely integrated into the ecosystem, which only a few has the hardware to even do inference with, much less fine-tuning or more post-training. But sure, do sit and wait a few days :)
- linkregister 2mo ago
  Yet the comment was valuable nonetheless.

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esperent 2mo ago

Outside of asking it to talk about Tiananmen Square, are there any standard tests for "bias"? And if so, who created them and what are their biases?

altcognito 2mo ago
Is Taiwan a country? What does it mean to have an efficient market? It is more important to focus on the questions than the persons who created it.
jayess 2mo ago
Kimi is basically a Chinese nationalist in every sense. Do I trust it to not insert software backdoors?

jakubadamw 2mo ago

It would, indeed, be interesting to compare, given what we know about Anthropic’s censorship and political bias in their closed and more expensive models. https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435006770249831 https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435006770249831 (from the creator of Ruby on Rails). In his specific case Kimi did the task it was asked to do (translation of the article DHH wrote), which Claude refused to.

dominotw 2mo ago
we need open models because they let me dehumanize roma ppl. great take by dhh. 'When gypsies appropriate public spaces, you deport them. It's not hard, it's not cruel. It's the basic logic of self-protection.'
- erichocean 2mo ago
  The article did nothing of the sort: https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435971678261344 https://x.com/dhh/status/2081435971678261344 However, even if it did, it is absurd for an AI to decide what it will and won't translate.
  - dominotw 2mo ago
    maybe you just did cmd+f roma? i think dhh in all his ignorance thought gypsies = roma

kartoshka 2mo ago

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jliendo 2mo ago

There's is always one in each and every AI forum: "But, but have you asked it about tiananmen"?

1899-12-30 2mo ago

It's much more censored - in some aspects - than k2.7.