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Cool product. Tough market. It will be essential to focus on small business targets. Too bad the article centred on competing with the big guys. I don't thi
by tatsuke95 14y ago
Cool product. Tough market. It will be essential to focus on small business targets. Too bad the article centred on competing with the big guys. I don't think that's where the easy money is at.
I'm currently in the middle of an ADP implementation for our company (120 employees), so I have a bit of insight into this. Once you reach a certain threshold of costs associated with payroll, it's very hard to beat the big players:
>"These legacy companies rely on selling to other enormous enterprise clients whose opportunity cost of switching services provides a sufficient lockin"
I don't know about this. How am I locked in? Sure, there is some labour associated with moving employee files from one provider to the next, but you have to do the same to get your data into ZenPayroll. ADP required me to fill out a spreadsheet with the required employee information. Once the data is in, you flip the switch and you're up and running on the new system. I don't see any lock-in whatsoever. I still have my employee information spreadsheet, ready to pass to the next competitor. What am I missing?
>"Faced with expensive and complex software options"
Not really complex. We worked with an ADP "implementation specialist" to design the earnings/deductions rules (customized to our specific needs), which took about a week. Now we enter hours in a text box, and adjust parameters as needed. Sure, the interface isn't pretty, but we're talking about tab-ing through text boxes and entering numbers. Can't be much more intuitive.
>"With ZenPayroll, companies can handle the standard functions of adding employee hours, overtime pay, bonuses, reimbursements, garnishments, benefits, etc., and issuing periodic payments via check or direct deposit."
This is standard for payroll systems.
>"Where ZenPayroll really sticks its head above the crowd is in the long term tracking and management for both employees and employers. On the platform..."
Standard features, at least with ADP.
We made the decision to switch from manual payroll to a payroll service when the cost/benefit made sense. I can understand that that threshold is far, far lower for the multitude of 1-50 employee sized businesses out there. ZenPayroll looks good there.
But the big players can offer something I can only assume ZP can't: support. We have two agents, ready to handle whatever crazy questions our staff has. That's vitally important to an enterprise. Although the author sees payroll as "evil", we're talking about other people's livelihood. It's not to be taken lightly. I don't see one mention of support in the article.
For $30/month, there's a market, and a big one. But let's not fool ourselves into thinking that the big players have nothing to offer. And they won't be easily displaced.
- edawerd 14y agoThese are all really great points you bring up -- we definitely aren't taking other payroll companies lightly, and providing amazing customer support for both big and small companies is one of our core-tenants. One of the things that the article didn't mention that I think is worth bringing up is how we eventually plan expose parts of a "payroll API" which can make managing payroll much easier. For example, I would imagine that tabbing through text boxes to enter hours for 120 employees every 2 weeks can get pretty tedious and error-prone. Well, we actually have a (currently internal) API for that, which can eventually be integrated into, say, time tracking software. We believe similar benefits can be realized by integrating our API with accounting software, expense reporting software, etc. In fact, we've architected our system to be an API from the start, and our JS web-app is just a consumer of our API. I'd love to hear some other ideas people might have that could take advantage of a payroll API!
- artag 14y agoWe currently use paychex and hoping to switch to ZenPayroll as soon as you guys allow us :). The biggest attraction is the API which will make managing all our workforce sooooo easy!
- tatsuke95 14y ago>"we definitely aren't taking other payroll companies lightly, and providing amazing customer support for both big and small companies is one of our core-tenants." Good stuff. I'm going to keep my eye on this. Having gone through it, it's an interesting space. I think it can be done better than the incumbents, and that's key, right? My point was that there's a bit too much "shoot-for-the-stars" mentality when great start-ups are on the rise. Players like ADP are slow because they are large. But they got large because, at the end of the day, they offer a good product (maybe a tad pricey). $30BB in market cap ain't easy to achieve. Anyway, I believe there's a big hole ZP can fill, especially if you can market to businesses that can't justify spending thousands per year on payroll. It didn't make sense for us for a long time. It's nice to see a relateable problem being solved. Congrats on the round, and good luck.
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