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The police will ask you if the PIN unlocks the phone before using it.
by jandrewrogers 3mo ago
The police will ask you if the PIN unlocks the phone before using it.
- mcherm 3mo agoRefusing to answer questions IS one of the rights that the US government mostly honors.
- cute_boi 3mo agoWell, these days especially at border police don't care about "rights"
- one33seven 3mo agoThat's missing in this entire conversation. This all sounds like it's 2016 or something
- int_19h 3mo agoThis is not a "these days" thing. Most rights essentially being abrogated at the border is a thing we've had for many decades now. In particular, no non-citizen has the absolute right of entry, and border agents have discretion bordering on insane when it comes to not admitting people or temporarily detaining them. Worse yet, this being the case, the job attracts the kind of people who relish the petty power trip. I've seen this many times back in 2010-2011 when I was traveling regularly as a non-citizen between US and Canada.
- Xirdus 3mo agoI don't think denying entry to non-citizens abrogates anyone's rights.
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- one33seven 3mo agoWhat gives US americans the right to deny anyone access to the land they stole from the indigenous they genocided? Why do people think they are entitled to take other peoples land and then prevent others from coming too?
- Xirdus 3mo agoWhat gives the Turks the right to land they stole from the Tatars? What gives the Greeks the right to land they stole from the Creteans? What gives the Chinese the right to land they stole from the other Chinese? At some point, we have to accept that the world has irrevocably changed, that people have lived where they live for generations, that resettling them all is impractical, inhumane and just not a good idea in general, and just move on and build the best world for the people currently here. During WW1 and then again during WW2, the world has agreed to the right of self-determination. If people feel they're a certain nationality separate from what their government imposes on them, then they have a right to become their own country with their own laws and their own border enforcement. If you are literally asking what gives Americans the right to prevent others from coming, this is it.
- one33seven 3mo agoI'm not saying to remove all americans but why the fuck would you have the right to exclude others from a certain piece of the earth?
- account42 3mo agoBecause that's how the world works everywhere.
- everfree 3mo agoUnder US law, you have a nearly absolute right to not answer police questions.
- jandrewrogers 3mo agoYes of course. But their use of the PIN will likely only occur if you answer, which many people will. This is a common setup in interrogations.
- 8note 3mo agothe utah cops definitely would, based on whats been released from the rwckless ben bodycam footage
- prmoustache 3mo agoI belive this only applies if you are a US citizen and not a visitor.
- Xirdus 3mo agoUp in the air. SCOTUS didn't decide on this specific right. They did rule on other constitutional protections though, sometimes granting, sometimes denying them to non-citizens. It also depends if you're just arriving or already are in the US. For example, illegal immigrants who jumped the border fence have more rights than legal immigrants who didn't leave the airport yet.
- inigyou 3mo agoIt unlocks the phone.