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Might be time to revert it back to wetland.

ColdStream 3mo ago
Sounds like a good plan to me. Probably a dozen reasons why we cannot that I am unaware of, but from my arm chair it looks good.
- coldbrewed 3mo ago
  The water was likely redirected for agricultural purposes and the farmers won't/can't surrender it on top of drought, if it's anything like the US. Would be real cool if we could make investments like this though.
  - jcattle 3mo ago
    In this case no, all the water is drained. I don't think meaningful amounts are retained for agriculture.
    - svara 3mo ago
      The pine forest is the agriculture.
      - phoronixrly 3mo ago
        Well... Turns out that it went up in flames...
  - verisimi 3mo ago
    This is another point that is overlooked. If you transform a landscape, moving the water through quickly or whatever, preventing the natural action (eg deeply drenching the ground) perhaps you create a high risk of a fire where the ground gets very hot, where that wasn't a possibility before.
- zekrioca 3mo ago
  Let it burn then?
  - ornornor 3mo ago
    People live there. So do animals and insects. Never mind the air pollution.
    - Den_VR 3mo ago
      And later, different animals and insects will live there.
      - ornornor 3mo ago
        Oh ok this is fine then.
        Brian_K_White 3mo ago
        Might well be. You understand that forest fires are actually natural, and this forest actually isn't, and so the suggestion is at least not automatically invalid.
        InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
        Don't worry about the end of the world, I heard the cockroaches will survive the apocalypse.
      - palata 3mo ago
        Depends on the time scale, I guess? We are living in a mass extinction that is orders of magnitudes faster than the one of the dinosaurs. So the norm, right now, is that later there will be fewer animals and insects. In Europe, we've lost 80% of insects in the last 20 years, something like that? That was completely unrelated to climate change. I guess climate change is just coming to help with the remaining 20%.
  - pvaldes 3mo ago
    Jail the arsonists is much better
- xbmcuser 3mo ago
  Looking at what this group is slowly doing all over the world I don't think it is impossible tough but possible. https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth
aaron695 3mo ago
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manyatoms 3mo ago
or even just re-planting different types of trees
- timpera 3mo ago
  From Le Monde: > Some efforts have begun to diversify the Landes forest and to maintain or promote deciduous trees, particularly along the edges of plots. The major difficulty, according to foresters, is that very few species are able to grow in this region, where the sandy soil is very poor and very acidic (it is one of the poorest soils in Europe). Foresters describe the maritime pine as a "miracle species" in this regard. > While other species can still grow, it is much more slowly and with greater difficulty. Radically transforming this vast forest, currently 80% dominated by maritime pines, therefore seems complicated, and there is also a significant economic stake involved in timber production in the region.
  - tremon 3mo ago
    Is the solution repeated burning of pine to enrich the soil, making it easier for other tree species to gain a foothold in the area?
    - Cthulhu_ 3mo ago
      Possibly, but the other option is to let it return to barren wasteland. If left alone it'll find itself a new balance, eventually.
    - pvaldes 3mo ago
      Burning the pine is how you end with a soil composed of 90% sand. Respecting the slow building of fertile soil is basic. There are several decicuous trees able to grow in very acid soils. Not so much in acid, plus sandy, plus salty. A fact that is not being noticed is that pine trees forests evolve naturally to substitute the pines with a bigger mix of species so if you plant a pine monoculture you need to manage it to keep the monoculture. This forest evolution happens for free by natural means unless: Sheep enter the forest or... Weather is very cold or very hot or... Soil is really poor, because wildfires. Keep controlled this variables for a generation and the flammable monoculture problem will fix itself. All forests evolve to be eventually less flammable, but they need time to do this.
breppp 3mo ago
We could reintroduce malaria, that might be a nice return to nature

Sounds like a good plan to me. Probably a dozen reasons why we cannot that I am unaware of, but from my arm chair it looks good.

coldbrewed 3mo ago
The water was likely redirected for agricultural purposes and the farmers won't/can't surrender it on top of drought, if it's anything like the US. Would be real cool if we could make investments like this though.
- jcattle 3mo ago
  In this case no, all the water is drained. I don't think meaningful amounts are retained for agriculture.
  - svara 3mo ago
    The pine forest is the agriculture.
    - phoronixrly 3mo ago
      Well... Turns out that it went up in flames...
- verisimi 3mo ago
  This is another point that is overlooked. If you transform a landscape, moving the water through quickly or whatever, preventing the natural action (eg deeply drenching the ground) perhaps you create a high risk of a fire where the ground gets very hot, where that wasn't a possibility before.
zekrioca 3mo ago
Let it burn then?
- ornornor 3mo ago
  People live there. So do animals and insects. Never mind the air pollution.
  - Den_VR 3mo ago
    And later, different animals and insects will live there.
    - ornornor 3mo ago
      Oh ok this is fine then.
      - Brian_K_White 3mo ago
        Might well be. You understand that forest fires are actually natural, and this forest actually isn't, and so the suggestion is at least not automatically invalid.
      - InsideOutSanta 3mo ago
        Don't worry about the end of the world, I heard the cockroaches will survive the apocalypse.
    - palata 3mo ago
      Depends on the time scale, I guess? We are living in a mass extinction that is orders of magnitudes faster than the one of the dinosaurs. So the norm, right now, is that later there will be fewer animals and insects. In Europe, we've lost 80% of insects in the last 20 years, something like that? That was completely unrelated to climate change. I guess climate change is just coming to help with the remaining 20%.
- pvaldes 3mo ago
  Jail the arsonists is much better
xbmcuser 3mo ago
Looking at what this group is slowly doing all over the world I don't think it is impossible tough but possible. https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth https://www.youtube.com/@MossyEarth

aaron695 3mo ago

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manyatoms 3mo ago

or even just re-planting different types of trees

timpera 3mo ago
From Le Monde: > Some efforts have begun to diversify the Landes forest and to maintain or promote deciduous trees, particularly along the edges of plots. The major difficulty, according to foresters, is that very few species are able to grow in this region, where the sandy soil is very poor and very acidic (it is one of the poorest soils in Europe). Foresters describe the maritime pine as a "miracle species" in this regard. > While other species can still grow, it is much more slowly and with greater difficulty. Radically transforming this vast forest, currently 80% dominated by maritime pines, therefore seems complicated, and there is also a significant economic stake involved in timber production in the region.
- tremon 3mo ago
  Is the solution repeated burning of pine to enrich the soil, making it easier for other tree species to gain a foothold in the area?
  - Cthulhu_ 3mo ago
    Possibly, but the other option is to let it return to barren wasteland. If left alone it'll find itself a new balance, eventually.
  - pvaldes 3mo ago
    Burning the pine is how you end with a soil composed of 90% sand. Respecting the slow building of fertile soil is basic. There are several decicuous trees able to grow in very acid soils. Not so much in acid, plus sandy, plus salty. A fact that is not being noticed is that pine trees forests evolve naturally to substitute the pines with a bigger mix of species so if you plant a pine monoculture you need to manage it to keep the monoculture. This forest evolution happens for free by natural means unless: Sheep enter the forest or... Weather is very cold or very hot or... Soil is really poor, because wildfires. Keep controlled this variables for a generation and the flammable monoculture problem will fix itself. All forests evolve to be eventually less flammable, but they need time to do this.

breppp 3mo ago

We could reintroduce malaria, that might be a nice return to nature