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67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”. No one here is really discussing “climate change”. Is it denial, or just t
by donohoe 2mo ago
67 comments. One mention of “climate crisis” (appropriate), 3 of “climate credits”.
No one here is really discussing “climate change”.
Is it denial, or just that we’ve accepted the obvious?
- Aboutplants 2mo agoI truly think it’s because we are in the “Find out” phase and most people have very little hope (justifiably) in anything meaningful actually occurring that can prevent or mitigate climate change even a little bit.
- ballsac 2mo ago[dead]
- ColdStream 2mo agoIt is also fairly disheartening to see a lot of proposed responses just quietly get shelved because it was economically not idea on the short term. A lot of them were fairly weak to begin with and even they couldn't hold. I don't think it will be grim forever, this isn't "DOOOOMED, WE ARE ALL DOOMED!" but I am not holding out for the Frutiger Aero future of only a few decades back.
- lazystar 2mo agoacceptance; the problems identified. efforts now should focus on innovative solutions that dont rely on nation state investment.
- derriz 2mo agoWhy? The vast majority of fossil fuel production globally is through state-owned companies.
- lazystar 2mo agoin the 1800's, were the vast majority of horses produced through state owned companies? that process was upended by human ingenuity. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Benz begging governments to solve the problem has obviously failed; focusing our efforts on fostering ideas and inventions is our best hope at getting our of this mess.
- derriz 2mo agoWe have all the technological tools available to largely decarbonize energy. We don’t have to wait for, nor have the time, to wait around for a deus-ex-machina. Given the dominance of state level actors in fossil fuel extraction (a role they did not have in horse based transport), to deny states have a role in decarbonizing energy seems naive. I don’t see what’s unreasonable to suggest that the current massive resources states put into supporting fossil fuel consumption and spending on wars to protect its production and distribution be redirected towards accelerating the adoption of modern clean energy production and use.
- darkwater 2mo agoWell, considering that the issue was created by the same "human ingenuity" aka turbo-capitalism, I'm not sure that the solution could be found there. I mean, we had one of such capitalists that looked like he was 100% into "fixing it" and now probably thinks it's just a woke invention. You cannot rely on single people changing the future, because they can change their mind far too easily.
- artisinal 2mo agoFrom what I read in another comment this was caused by Napoleon.
- ballsac 2mo ago[dead]
- throw-the-towel 2mo agoNapoleon did his geo-engineering 150 years ago, in a completely different world. He's not the one to blame here.
- ColdStream 2mo agoWell he didn't help, but this is a good example of why so many military's call climate change a 'Risk Multiplier'. There was already an issue but it has just been amplified.
- artisinal 2mo agoHe planted highly flammable trees is a hot part of the country. Even in his times it got 35 degrees over there.
- chewbacha 2mo agoMust… Build… More… Datacenters… But seriously, hacker news routinely denies the obvious when it comes to climate crisis.
- s5300 2mo ago[dead]
- ColdStream 2mo agoThat's because there is the chance that it will benefit them short term over others. F U I got mine! Or just ignorance.
- zahlman 2mo agoWhere are you seeing such denial?
- strken 2mo agoWhat is there to discuss? Outlier weather events are growing more common and the hot summer obviously played a role here. Even climate change denial has moved from denying the fact to denying that we can fix anything, for either economic or technical reasons.
- derrida 2mo ago> What is there to discuss? The governance crisis: how can we follow science on so many things, how can countries completely change on short order, but not for this...
- ludston 2mo agoGovernments have been working on this for more then 20 years now. 40 maybe. As long as I've been alive at least. It's just that all of the actions to try and deal with this have been continuously undermined by fossil fuel industries and right-wing politics.
- ColdStream 2mo agoJames Hansons Senate hearing was in 1988, so at least 38 years since it was brought front and center. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Hearing_of_James_E._Hansen_(1988) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Senate_Hearing_of_James_E._Han... Hansen is still going and has been ringing the alarm that we have deeply under estimated the relative carbon loading and heating potential on emissions. There is a real fear that we have locked in a lot more warming potential than the models have been predicting via several factors. Namely carbon warms slightly more than anticipated, more methane releases, great water vapor levels as a result of the previous two and reduced reflective materials decreasing our relative albedo.
- cineticdaffodil 2mo agoNo, its that all the action consistently denies the fact that human societies can not keep i together if degrown. The policies produce regression aka facism.
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- nsainsbury 2mo agoThe most downvoted comment I've ever made on Hacker News was related to climate change. There's a profoundly ignorant collection of people here who want to stick their head in the sand and pretend everything is fine while the world burns around them.
- ColdStream 2mo agoAlas, a lot of people are reactive and not proactive. There is also the factor that most people see themselves as the virtuous ones, and they do not appreciate a Cassandra pointing out the awful truths that undermine this narrative.
- derekdahmer 2mo agoClimate change is real and contributes to this but there have been massive fires in this region for over a century - primarily from the artificially planted Maritime Pine forests. The 1940s were particularly bad. Look up the Great Fire of 1949.
- ornornor 2mo agoNever on that scale. This is unprecedented. France asked other EU members for help as the firefighters are overwhelmed and the fire uncontrollable. There hasn’t been an evacuation this large since WW2 (300k people displaced so far, 0.5% of the country’s population) This isn’t a “it’s summer, and fires burn” type of a deal. Even though most fires are set by idiots on purpose, it spreads so well because everywhere is dry. Most parcs and fields look like savannas instead of the usual green.
- sdthjbvuiiijbb 2mo agoFrance has more than 6 million people. I think you meant 0.5%
- ornornor 2mo agoYes
- zahlman 2mo agoThe sources I can readily find place the total extent of forest fires in France this year at 40,000 hectares, still less than https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Landes_forest_fire https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1949_Landes_forest_fire .
- vlovich123 2mo agoOnce in a hundred year (or more) event that was beaten in lethality twice in the past two decades. Hmmmm. Can’t possibly be a pattern there. Not like we have models predicting what happens and that reality is progressing far worse than the scientists are allowed to officially report.
- Johnny_Bonk 2mo agoThank you for this
- pibaker 2mo agoHello from one of the accounts who mentioned "climate credits." Do you know why I mentioned it? Because I believe climate change is a real issue and the people selling a fake solution to make people feel better about their jet set lifestyle is doing a disservice to our ability to actually fix the issue. Thank you for your attention to this matter.