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Iron Dome is designed for protecting from home made rockets made with dung from the Gaza Strip. And according to research the main reason for the low casualty r

Iron Dome is designed for protecting from home made rockets made with dung from the Gaza Strip. And according to research the main reason for the low casualty rate is actually the early warning. How exactly is it supposed to help with real missiles and drones? How do these scams keep happening? Why doesn't anyone care how their taxpayer money is spent?

iwontberude 2mo ago
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- dragonwriter 2mo ago
  If the country has to survive and recover rather quickly, not collapse, for your prosecution scenario to be likely and effective against any significant share of the people who caused this.
  - ithkuil 2mo ago
    It's astonishing how many people really seem to think that total collapse / destruction of a system can be an effective way for fixing things
    - thingswecantsay 2mo ago
      To respond to both you and the parent at once. 1. While dragonwriter's point is not entirely wrong, I also wouldn't say I agree either. Czar Nicholas was "prosecuted" quite rapidly after the russian revolution. 2. The problem, ithkuil, is if the population does not see any other way to effectively fix things. (System capture, pareto distributions, disenfranchisement, etc.) As an aside, I created a new account for this vs. my normal because I've wanted to speak more openly than I can on a work-associated profile for a while now, I will be keeping this account lest anyone thinks it's astroturfing.
      - _DeadFred_ 2mo ago
        Yes, murder is easy after collapse. But murder is not a fix.
        thingswecantsay 2mo ago
        That response disregards the thrust of my point, as well as the parallel to the famous quote "war is the continuation of politics by other means." If a population does not believe they have more productive options, that is what will be left. This is often compounded when the existing powers have an easy time with murder BEFORE collapse, such that any moral prohibition would be hypocritical and self-defeating. Let me be clear as well: I do not think Nicholas's murder "fixed" russia. I was precise in my wording, it was a form of prosecution previously unavailable to them. My point being that if things get bad enough, people care less about a long-term fix, and more about some semblance of recompense, and in some cases it may truly be the only option available to them to realize any concrete impact.
        _DeadFred_ 2mo ago
        You responded to 'It's astonishing how many people really seem to think that total collapse / destruction of a system can be an effective way for fixing things' with 'Czar Nicholas was "prosecuted" quite rapidly after the russian revolution.' as the only tangible you gave. Then this spiel on the people and desire for violence. The current system works better than any previous system for redress. In fac the regime is having to bypass the system/break the system in order to get away with what they are getting away with. Destroying the system will not put them in their place. Breaking the system in fact gives them more of what they want. More power. More ability to abuse the current environment. Taking us back to the previous system, and putting in the hard and mundane work of keeping it working is the much better solution if people want redress, not continuous 'we just need to break it a little more because feelz/it's simpler/our political class (that we could, you know, work to get voted out) suck (and all we do is whine about it)'.
        scarecrowbob 2mo ago
    - cbg0 2mo ago
      It's kind of a childish view of the world; The expectation is that all the "quality" people will rise up and fix the problems of the country, but my perspective is that the political class is just a reflection of the people, so the existing idiots will just be replaced by new idiots, unless you raise the average somehow.
alephnerd 2mo ago
> home made rockets made with dung from the Gaza Strip Homemade bottle rockets are a 2000s era Israel thing. Now it's Ababeel, Mohajer, Shahed, Arash and other Iranian drones deployed in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran. The same kinds of drones being used in Ukraine and operated by Iranian personnel [0][1][2] that are also the same make as the drones shot down in Romania as well as Poland. Ukraine also gave us intel linking Iranian strike capacity with Russia [3] and Russia has previously offered to stop giving Iran geoint and strike intel in return for the US stopping geoint and strike intel sharing with Ukraine, which the US rejected [4]. [0] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/10/8024839/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/10/8024839/ [1] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ [2] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373119/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373119/ [3] - https://xcancel.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2081074329115078813#m https://xcancel.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2081074329115078813#m [4] - https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-offers-stop-intel-iran-condition-us-cuts-off-ukraine/ https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-offers-stop-intel-iran...
spwa4 2mo ago
Exactly. Iron dome was designed for Iranian designed drones and missiles (designed with Chinese help). There is nothing "home made" about palestinian actions, or "the cause", not even the propaganda that it's all homemade. Built by Iran too mostly (again with Chinese help). These are the exact missiles raining down on European cities. China even built in insurance (check what the fuel is for the more advanced rockets, then check if Iran can actually synthesize that fuel ... heh. Weird) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57092245 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57092245 Oh and to add insult to injury, the big problem with both European and US air defense, being overwhelmed by numbers of drones and rockets, is something Israel has demonstrated how to deal with a dozen times. In fact this system was designed for that. Therefore Iron dome, Israeli experience and Israeli tactics are exactly what's needed here. But of course politics are more important than direct demonstrations and weapons fire showing exactly who Europe's enemies are. Sorry that I ever suggested anything remotely different. Apologies. Please continue.

iwontberude 2mo ago

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dragonwriter 2mo ago
If the country has to survive and recover rather quickly, not collapse, for your prosecution scenario to be likely and effective against any significant share of the people who caused this.
- ithkuil 2mo ago
  It's astonishing how many people really seem to think that total collapse / destruction of a system can be an effective way for fixing things
  - thingswecantsay 2mo ago
    To respond to both you and the parent at once. 1. While dragonwriter's point is not entirely wrong, I also wouldn't say I agree either. Czar Nicholas was "prosecuted" quite rapidly after the russian revolution. 2. The problem, ithkuil, is if the population does not see any other way to effectively fix things. (System capture, pareto distributions, disenfranchisement, etc.) As an aside, I created a new account for this vs. my normal because I've wanted to speak more openly than I can on a work-associated profile for a while now, I will be keeping this account lest anyone thinks it's astroturfing.
    - _DeadFred_ 2mo ago
      Yes, murder is easy after collapse. But murder is not a fix.
      - thingswecantsay 2mo ago
        That response disregards the thrust of my point, as well as the parallel to the famous quote "war is the continuation of politics by other means." If a population does not believe they have more productive options, that is what will be left. This is often compounded when the existing powers have an easy time with murder BEFORE collapse, such that any moral prohibition would be hypocritical and self-defeating. Let me be clear as well: I do not think Nicholas's murder "fixed" russia. I was precise in my wording, it was a form of prosecution previously unavailable to them. My point being that if things get bad enough, people care less about a long-term fix, and more about some semblance of recompense, and in some cases it may truly be the only option available to them to realize any concrete impact.
        _DeadFred_ 2mo ago
        You responded to 'It's astonishing how many people really seem to think that total collapse / destruction of a system can be an effective way for fixing things' with 'Czar Nicholas was "prosecuted" quite rapidly after the russian revolution.' as the only tangible you gave. Then this spiel on the people and desire for violence. The current system works better than any previous system for redress. In fac the regime is having to bypass the system/break the system in order to get away with what they are getting away with. Destroying the system will not put them in their place. Breaking the system in fact gives them more of what they want. More power. More ability to abuse the current environment. Taking us back to the previous system, and putting in the hard and mundane work of keeping it working is the much better solution if people want redress, not continuous 'we just need to break it a little more because feelz/it's simpler/our political class (that we could, you know, work to get voted out) suck (and all we do is whine about it)'.
        scarecrowbob 2mo ago
  - cbg0 2mo ago
    It's kind of a childish view of the world; The expectation is that all the "quality" people will rise up and fix the problems of the country, but my perspective is that the political class is just a reflection of the people, so the existing idiots will just be replaced by new idiots, unless you raise the average somehow.

alephnerd 2mo ago

> home made rockets made with dung from the Gaza Strip Homemade bottle rockets are a 2000s era Israel thing. Now it's Ababeel, Mohajer, Shahed, Arash and other Iranian drones deployed in Lebanon, Iraq, Yemen, and Iran. The same kinds of drones being used in Ukraine and operated by Iranian personnel [0][1][2] that are also the same make as the drones shot down in Romania as well as Poland. Ukraine also gave us intel linking Iranian strike capacity with Russia [3] and Russia has previously offered to stop giving Iran geoint and strike intel in return for the US stopping geoint and strike intel sharing with Ukraine, which the US rejected [4]. [0] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/10/8024839/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2026/03/10/8024839/ [1] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/11/07/7375314/ [2] - https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373119/ https://www.pravda.com.ua/eng/news/2022/10/23/7373119/ [3] - https://xcancel.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2081074329115078813#m https://xcancel.com/ZelenskyyUa/status/2081074329115078813#m [4] - https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-offers-stop-intel-iran-condition-us-cuts-off-ukraine/ https://www.politico.eu/article/putin-offers-stop-intel-iran...

spwa4 2mo ago

Exactly. Iron dome was designed for Iranian designed drones and missiles (designed with Chinese help). There is nothing "home made" about palestinian actions, or "the cause", not even the propaganda that it's all homemade. Built by Iran too mostly (again with Chinese help). These are the exact missiles raining down on European cities. China even built in insurance (check what the fuel is for the more advanced rockets, then check if Iran can actually synthesize that fuel ... heh. Weird) https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57092245 https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-57092245 Oh and to add insult to injury, the big problem with both European and US air defense, being overwhelmed by numbers of drones and rockets, is something Israel has demonstrated how to deal with a dozen times. In fact this system was designed for that. Therefore Iron dome, Israeli experience and Israeli tactics are exactly what's needed here. But of course politics are more important than direct demonstrations and weapons fire showing exactly who Europe's enemies are. Sorry that I ever suggested anything remotely different. Apologies. Please continue.