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The big part that I didn’t see was whether this was a Russian drone or Ukrainian drone

by dvduval 2mo ago

ur-whale 2mo ago
> I didn’t see was whether this was a Russian drone or Ukrainian drone From the france24 article: > A government investigation reportedly identified the first of the three drones as a Shahed model used by Russia in its war with Ukraine.
rwmj 2mo ago
They're Shahed drones, used by Russia.
- romaaeterna 2mo ago
  In September the Russians accused the Ukrainians of having repairing downed Geran drone airframes at the Lviv LORTA plant, transferring them to Yavoriv, and launching them unarmed into Poland. They presented various evidence like serial numbers, photographs of silver-tape repairs, claims that a Ukrainian SIM-card was used, lack of impact destruction, etc. What's true though? I don't believe that I have a way to find out.
  - arcticfox 2mo ago
    Russian credibility is at ~zero IMO. They've put forth so many insane theories related to this war that they started. And just on first principles, how stupid would the Ukrainian have to be to do such a thing to their biggest ally? It almost beggars belief.
    - daliz 2mo ago
      The Nord Stream destruction was made to Europe by their big friend Ukraine.
      - egisspegis 2mo ago
        With EU blessing.
    - justsomehnguy 2mo ago
      Yes? They would love to have a cause to involve anything NATO. And for the first principles you are surely didn't miss: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7xzg3dmj8o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7xzg3dmj8o
  - cbg0 2mo ago
    A safe option is to avoid trusting an aggressor, which has no business being in Ukraine and that can pack up their bags and leave at any time.
  - cyclopeanutopia 2mo ago
    [flagged]
    - infinite_spin 2mo ago
      foot-wrap? What are you saying here? Is this a colloquialism that I'm not familiar with?
      - r721 2mo ago
        I think they meant "sockpuppet".
        infinite_spin 2mo ago
        that makes a lot more sense, appreciate it!
        cyclopeanutopia 2mo ago
        That's what we call people who are paid by Russia to spread online propaganda.
        cyclopeanutopia 2mo ago
        Not really, it's about those stinky foot wraps. The idea is that the stink allows one to recognize that they are just spreading propaganda.
      - yurish 2mo ago
        Yes, he wanted to insult the person. The word портянка is sometimes used in the Internet by Ukrainian nationalists to offend pro-Russian users.
        infinite_spin 2mo ago
        Thank you! I found this wiki article and learned something new about foot protection today too. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Портянки https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Портянки
  - tim333 2mo ago
    Usually you can find out. There are probably radar records showing them coming from Russia. But people aren't that interested and it's hard to keep up with the firehose of falsehood coming out of Russia constantly.
olexsmir 2mo ago
Shahed drones are used only by russia and iran

The big part that I didn’t see was whether this was a Russian drone or Ukrainian drone

by dvduval 2mo ago

The big part that I didn’t see was whether this was a Russian drone or Ukrainian drone

> I didn’t see was whether this was a Russian drone or Ukrainian drone From the france24 article: > A government investigation reportedly identified the first of the three drones as a Shahed model used by Russia in its war with Ukraine.

rwmj 2mo ago

They're Shahed drones, used by Russia.

romaaeterna 2mo ago
In September the Russians accused the Ukrainians of having repairing downed Geran drone airframes at the Lviv LORTA plant, transferring them to Yavoriv, and launching them unarmed into Poland. They presented various evidence like serial numbers, photographs of silver-tape repairs, claims that a Ukrainian SIM-card was used, lack of impact destruction, etc. What's true though? I don't believe that I have a way to find out.
- arcticfox 2mo ago
  Russian credibility is at ~zero IMO. They've put forth so many insane theories related to this war that they started. And just on first principles, how stupid would the Ukrainian have to be to do such a thing to their biggest ally? It almost beggars belief.
  - daliz 2mo ago
    The Nord Stream destruction was made to Europe by their big friend Ukraine.
    - egisspegis 2mo ago
      With EU blessing.
  - justsomehnguy 2mo ago
    Yes? They would love to have a cause to involve anything NATO. And for the first principles you are surely didn't miss: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7xzg3dmj8o https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cr7xzg3dmj8o
- cbg0 2mo ago
  A safe option is to avoid trusting an aggressor, which has no business being in Ukraine and that can pack up their bags and leave at any time.
- cyclopeanutopia 2mo ago
  [flagged]
  - infinite_spin 2mo ago
    foot-wrap? What are you saying here? Is this a colloquialism that I'm not familiar with?
    - r721 2mo ago
      I think they meant "sockpuppet".
      - infinite_spin 2mo ago
        that makes a lot more sense, appreciate it!
        cyclopeanutopia 2mo ago
        That's what we call people who are paid by Russia to spread online propaganda.
      - cyclopeanutopia 2mo ago
        Not really, it's about those stinky foot wraps. The idea is that the stink allows one to recognize that they are just spreading propaganda.
    - yurish 2mo ago
      Yes, he wanted to insult the person. The word портянка is sometimes used in the Internet by Ukrainian nationalists to offend pro-Russian users.
      - infinite_spin 2mo ago
        Thank you! I found this wiki article and learned something new about foot protection today too. https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Портянки https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Портянки
- tim333 2mo ago
  Usually you can find out. There are probably radar records showing them coming from Russia. But people aren't that interested and it's hard to keep up with the firehose of falsehood coming out of Russia constantly.

olexsmir 2mo ago

Shahed drones are used only by russia and iran