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What happens one day when there is a significant outage of Claude or Codex and reliance on these tools as SaaS services is so great that it start to impact prod
by prologic 3mo ago
What happens one day when there is a significant outage of Claude or Codex and reliance on these tools as SaaS services is so great that it start to impact productivity and work? Will we just pack up our tools and go home?
- Eddy_Viscosity2 3mo agoThose are your tools and if the AI companies have their way, they will be your only tools. Complete dependence on AI is the goal here.
- vidarh 3mo agoIf both of them are down at the same time, I would switch to my Kimi or GLM subscription and keep working. If they fail too, I switch to any number of providers via OpenRouter. While there is some lock-in for the hardest tasks, for most of what people do LLMs are rapidly becoming a commodity. In fact, right this minute I have Opus benchmarking Kimi alongside itself to determine which workflows we'll switch to using Kimi by default and Opus as the fallback instead of vice versa. It has already conceded Kimi does better on several tasks.
- rokkamokka 3mo agoYou... wouldn't just code yourself if they were down?
- vidarh 3mo agoNo more than when they are up, no. Why would I? I can produce far more by having tasks running in the background while I do other work.
- danielbln 3mo agoIf my laptop breaks I'm not going back to pen and paper, I'm buying a new/different laptop.
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo agoWouldn't know how
- vidarh 3mo agoI have programmed since I was 5, so 46 years now. I have no problem doing it, and still do. I however wouldn't waste my time only coding by hand when an LLM can do it far faster.
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo agoNobody said "only by hand", you moved the goalpost. If you don't practice it you lose the skill.
- vidarh 3mo agoI have not moved any goal posts. You made unwarranted and frankly grossly rude assumptions.
- ShinyLeftPad 3mo agoSo you think if you don't practice you don't lose the ability, that's fine
- vidarh 3mo agoNo, you wrongly assume I wrote no code, and chose to be rude and insulting about it.
- ShinyLeftPad 2mo agoWrongly assume when you said it... Reread your answers, it seems pretty clear you don't write by hand?
- ulimn 3mo agoTo me it doesn't sound so "economically convenient" to pay extra usage to alternative providers while someone pays 20/100/200 dollars for their service.
- vidarh 3mo agoThe subs for those alternative providers have similar tiering but more generous token allocations than Anthropic and OpenAI, and deliver good enough quality to be worth it. If I needed to fall back on OpenRouter, it'd be paid per token, of course, but that'd take 4 major providers being down, in which case I suspect I'll have more critical things to worry about. As it is, I use more than I could with a single $200 Claude Max subscription anyway, so I distribute my tasks across multiple providers. Even without that it's cheap insurance given the cost of lost time.
- senko 3mo agoYou mean like GitHub?
- jdthedisciple 3mo agoeasy, we will switch to OpenRouter et al.
- sajithdilshan 3mo agoWhat would you do if there is a significant outage in AWS or GCP or Github or JIRA or any other service you use at work? same goes for AI tools as well.
- CuriouslyC 3mo agoMy real world experience of this is that people prefer not to code by hand because it feels wasteful relative to agent speeds, so they find non-coding productive activities such as code/documentation review or usability testing.
- mikeydiamonds 3mo ago[flagged]
- tetha 3mo agoYou jest, but companies have sent people home fully paid, because power or internet were down and would be down for an extended period of time. Technically a small number could have kept working on white-boarding design topics, but without access to documentation, existing tickets, it would have been minimally effective. It's not clear if or when these tools become as essential as power or internet to a developers or admins work, but if they do? Giving everyone a quarter day off at least generates some good-will, unlike forcing them to sit around unproductively because of working hours.
- vikramkr 2mo agoYeah. Just like how half the Internet shuts down every time there's an AWS outage, or how nothing gets done if the power or Internet is out
- luciandan 2mo agoJust like when there's an internet outage. Go for a walk, talk to your friends. Live a little :)