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Neat, I didn't realize it was still included. I thought it had been abandonned. So basically one needs a webdav server somewhere or an usb flash drive.

Helmut10001 3mo ago
I use local seedvault backup and then sync via round sync daily trigger to my Nextcloud WebDav Server (native seedvault was not able to use this, for some reason).
flexagoon 3mo ago
I use Seedvault to create a backup locally on my phone, and then sync it to my backup server with Syncthing
gruez 3mo ago
The problem is that most apps opt out of backup, so it's effectively useless.
- prmoustache 3mo ago
  Yeah I don't even understand why this is even a thing. It should be user's choice, not app vendor/developer's choice.
  - grapheneos 3mo ago
    Android 12 changed the meaning of allowBackup="false" to opting out of cloud backups. GrapheneOS encrypted backups use the device-to-device transfer mode which includes apps opted out of cloud backups. It's similar to the Google Play data transfer feature, not Google's backup system.
- grapheneos 3mo ago
  Android 12 changed the meaning of allowBackup="false" to opting out of cloud backups. GrapheneOS encrypted backups use the device-to-device transfer mode which includes apps opted out of cloud backups. It's similar to the Google Play data transfer feature, not Google's backup system.
  - gruez 3mo ago
    That still doesn't prevent other means that developers have to thwart backups. Chrome and vanadium has a custom backup agent that only dumps out settings, so browsing history and bookmarks aren't backed up at all. I believe firefox is similar unless they changed something recently. Same goes for other apps like signal. Browsers, messengers, and camera are the top 3 categories of apps I use on my phone, and the built-in backup gets 1/3 of them (camera actually works because it's just regular internal storage). That's not very good coverage.
    - grapheneos 3mo ago
      Vanadium will add more data to the device-to-device backups but we haven't gotten to it yet. For Signal, you can set up their own backups locally and they'll be included with backed up home directory data if that's enabled. Signal encrypts their database and encrypts the key used for it with the hardware keystore. A generic backup system can't back that up directly. The encrypted database is useless outside of the current app install since the hardware keystore key can't be exported.
      - hedora 3mo ago
        I wish they had a toggle for this. I'd much rather just have one backup system. Per-app backups is a pain to keep track of, and signal data is by far less sensitive than other stuff on my phone.
preisschild 3mo ago
It also supports the Android Storage Access Framework, so other forms of network "cloud" storage are also supported as long as the client ("cloud storage app") implements the correct api, so not only webdav

Helmut10001 3mo ago

I use local seedvault backup and then sync via round sync daily trigger to my Nextcloud WebDav Server (native seedvault was not able to use this, for some reason).

flexagoon 3mo ago

I use Seedvault to create a backup locally on my phone, and then sync it to my backup server with Syncthing

gruez 3mo ago

The problem is that most apps opt out of backup, so it's effectively useless.

prmoustache 3mo ago
Yeah I don't even understand why this is even a thing. It should be user's choice, not app vendor/developer's choice.
- grapheneos 3mo ago
  Android 12 changed the meaning of allowBackup="false" to opting out of cloud backups. GrapheneOS encrypted backups use the device-to-device transfer mode which includes apps opted out of cloud backups. It's similar to the Google Play data transfer feature, not Google's backup system.
grapheneos 3mo ago
Android 12 changed the meaning of allowBackup="false" to opting out of cloud backups. GrapheneOS encrypted backups use the device-to-device transfer mode which includes apps opted out of cloud backups. It's similar to the Google Play data transfer feature, not Google's backup system.
- gruez 3mo ago
  That still doesn't prevent other means that developers have to thwart backups. Chrome and vanadium has a custom backup agent that only dumps out settings, so browsing history and bookmarks aren't backed up at all. I believe firefox is similar unless they changed something recently. Same goes for other apps like signal. Browsers, messengers, and camera are the top 3 categories of apps I use on my phone, and the built-in backup gets 1/3 of them (camera actually works because it's just regular internal storage). That's not very good coverage.
  - grapheneos 3mo ago
    Vanadium will add more data to the device-to-device backups but we haven't gotten to it yet. For Signal, you can set up their own backups locally and they'll be included with backed up home directory data if that's enabled. Signal encrypts their database and encrypts the key used for it with the hardware keystore. A generic backup system can't back that up directly. The encrypted database is useless outside of the current app install since the hardware keystore key can't be exported.
    - hedora 3mo ago
      I wish they had a toggle for this. I'd much rather just have one backup system. Per-app backups is a pain to keep track of, and signal data is by far less sensitive than other stuff on my phone.

preisschild 3mo ago

It also supports the Android Storage Access Framework, so other forms of network "cloud" storage are also supported as long as the client ("cloud storage app") implements the correct api, so not only webdav