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Your comment never provided any supporting arguments so you’re unlikely to convince me or anyone else to expect less from HN. Your account is also new, so I (a

by nailer 3mo ago

Your comment never provided any supporting arguments so you’re unlikely to convince me or anyone else to expect less from HN. Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN. Thank you, I will.

angoragoats 3mo ago
What if I told you I’ve been on HN since approximately when your account was created? Would that change your opinions at all? (Hint: ideally it shouldn’t, because basing your opinion on the age of my account when you have no other information about me is sloppy argumentation.) And FWIW, your comments are full of unsupported accusations of logical fallacies and unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,” so I was replying in kind.
- nailer 3mo ago
  > Would that change your opinions at all? It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that. > unsupported accusations of logical fallacies There's no point in writing something that can be be disproven by scrolling up the thread. Where I accused the other person of a logical fallacy, I wrote: "pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man You're welcome to acknowledge the error. > unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,” All positions are expected to have supporting arguments in a debate with peers. 'No' does not include supporting arguments. You should have learnt this from high school debating, civics etc. as a teenager, of failing that, adult discussion in your workplace, or failing that, participating in technical discussions on sites like HN.
  - angoragoats 2mo ago
    > It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that. Are you saying that I've been uncivil in my discussions with you? If so, please do not falsely accuse me of something I didn't do. I've been civil this entire time (and just in case you missed it, I am not @Supermancho, the user who originally replied to your comment). Note that civil/uncivil and blunt/sensitive are two different axes. My posts may have been blunt but they have been civil. I am loathe to accuse others of logical fallacies, especially since, as I stated previously, this is not a formal debate, but "Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN" is the most textbook ad hominem fallacy I've read on the internet in some time.
    - nailer 2mo ago
      > > It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that. > Are you saying that I've been uncivil in my discussions with you? no
      - angoragoats 2mo ago
        > no > If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. You’re an amazing caricature of an internet commenter.
        nailer 2mo ago
        You asked me a question. I'm not arguing with your detailed reply by responding 'no' as rebuttal, I'm simply answering your question. I thought you'd be happy I wasn't accusing you of being uncivil but ok.
        angoragoats 2mo ago
        This is one of the many reasons why I replied "100% disagree" when you originally wrote "if someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude." I wasn't even sure why you wrote that in the first place, since the other commenter you were referring to did nothing of the sort. I'm happy that you agree that your assertion, as originally written, is false. I'd encourage you to think more about nuance before making blanket statements in the future.

by nailer 3mo ago

angoragoats 3mo ago

What if I told you I’ve been on HN since approximately when your account was created? Would that change your opinions at all? (Hint: ideally it shouldn’t, because basing your opinion on the age of my account when you have no other information about me is sloppy argumentation.) And FWIW, your comments are full of unsupported accusations of logical fallacies and unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,” so I was replying in kind.

nailer 3mo ago
> Would that change your opinions at all? It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that. > unsupported accusations of logical fallacies There's no point in writing something that can be be disproven by scrolling up the thread. Where I accused the other person of a logical fallacy, I wrote: "pointing out that other people also share credit for Elon's innovations - my comment never made stated that Elon deserves exclusive credit for this, this is a straw man You're welcome to acknowledge the error. > unsupported assertions like “If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude,” All positions are expected to have supporting arguments in a debate with peers. 'No' does not include supporting arguments. You should have learnt this from high school debating, civics etc. as a teenager, of failing that, adult discussion in your workplace, or failing that, participating in technical discussions on sites like HN.
- angoragoats 2mo ago
  > It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that. Are you saying that I've been uncivil in my discussions with you? If so, please do not falsely accuse me of something I didn't do. I've been civil this entire time (and just in case you missed it, I am not @Supermancho, the user who originally replied to your comment). Note that civil/uncivil and blunt/sensitive are two different axes. My posts may have been blunt but they have been civil. I am loathe to accuse others of logical fallacies, especially since, as I stated previously, this is not a formal debate, but "Your account is also new, so I (and it seems others) don’t think you should be giving advice about how to interact on HN" is the most textbook ad hominem fallacy I've read on the internet in some time.
  - nailer 2mo ago
    > > It wouldn't, I'd be saddened that you don't know how to to have a civil discussion with others on a technical site after two decades, but I'd still feel that you should know that. > Are you saying that I've been uncivil in my discussions with you? no
    - angoragoats 2mo ago
      > no > If someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude. You’re an amazing caricature of an internet commenter.
      - nailer 2mo ago
        You asked me a question. I'm not arguing with your detailed reply by responding 'no' as rebuttal, I'm simply answering your question. I thought you'd be happy I wasn't accusing you of being uncivil but ok.
        angoragoats 2mo ago
        This is one of the many reasons why I replied "100% disagree" when you originally wrote "if someone writes a detailed reply, replying ‘no’ is rude." I wasn't even sure why you wrote that in the first place, since the other commenter you were referring to did nothing of the sort. I'm happy that you agree that your assertion, as originally written, is false. I'd encourage you to think more about nuance before making blanket statements in the future.