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Only a small fraction of current flyers get window seats. And the view from the isle seat or middle row is non-existent. And that's before we talk about night

Only a small fraction of current flyers get window seats. And the view from the isle seat or middle row is non-existent. And that's before we talk about night flights when there's nothing to see, flights over water when there's nothing to see and so on. So yes, I'm sure some people like windows. But the majority have demonstrated that they're just fine flying without them.

noduerme 2mo ago
Not to mention the cretins who put their windows down for the whole flight.
- JSR_FDED 2mo ago
  Except when everyone is trying to sleep and one person has their window up
  - noduerme 2mo ago
    I've been that guy, but only if the scenery is interesting. Still, my attitude is that at noon, people don't need to have a blanket placed over their cage like parrots to make them sleep. I also was on a flight once that had a very bouncy landing with all the windows down - when I didn't realize we were anywhere near the ground yet. I'm not into tuning out reality to that degree, and don't really feel obligated to help anyone else do so either ;)
    - rc5150 2mo ago
      On a airplane, one man's noon is another man's 4am. Your attitude is socially problematic.
      - xnx 2mo ago
        Eye masks allow everyone to control their personal light level without making other people responsible.
      - noduerme 2mo ago
        >> Your attitude is socially problematic My response to anyone using that kind of language is "go fuck yourself, you pompous shit," but let me explain more clearly: Me keeping my window open is no more problematic than other people trying to force someone to sit in the dark at noon. What's odious about your comment is that it presumes one is a "problem" if they don't do what everyone around them is doing. Really, the world doesn't need more conformists, but what we really don't need are more people scolding anyone who has a mind of their own. Somehow your comment manages to distill the union of social bullying and cowardice in the fewest possible words. It's interesting. Your language is that of a psychotic conformist, legible to those who don't have that disease.
    - bruce511 2mo ago
      Regulations require that window shades be up (open) during take off and landing. I was sitting next to a passenger once who was asked by the steward to raise the window shade. While doing it, they asked "why". Answering for the steward I said "it's so Fire and Rescue can see into the plane if we crash". (Which is true, I used to work at airport fire and rescue.) The steward looked at me with a "that's not helpful" look. My bad :( . Although I think it's still useful for people to understand things are done for their safety. Not that we expect to crash, and most don't, but every little thing that might improve survival is done. That encourages rather than discourages me.
      - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
        My home airport is Sky Harbor in Phoenix. There has been at least one instance where the flight crew has required all passengers to close all our window shades while the aircraft was not in motion. And they said this was to prevent overheating from sunlight coming inside. And I was rather miffed about missing out on the view outside, because as a technical guy, I totally enjoy seeing all the activity at an airport! Half the fun of flying!
        bruce511 2mo ago
        While not in motion, or while in flight, it's not really an issue. Takeoffs and landings are the biggest risk times (and also the best proximity to Fire and Rescue). In hot environments reducing heat load in the plane can definitely improve comfort. Bummer about missing the action though...
      - echoangle 2mo ago
        Isn’t it also so you can look out to see if the emergency exits on that side are usable or if there is a fire or excessive debris blocking the exit?
        bruce511 2mo ago
        Yes, that's a factor as well. If you're opening a door (or emergency exit) you should look first to see if that side of the plane is on fire. But obviously you can open it to look, and there's only a small number that would apply to. So it's a factor, but the primary reason is being able to look in.
  - Cider9986 2mo ago
    Eye mask is requirement no matter the window position.
adaml_623 2mo ago
I love looking out plane windows at night. Distant lightning storms, cities, fishing boats, highways, country borders lit up and stretching as far as you can see.

noduerme 2mo ago

Not to mention the cretins who put their windows down for the whole flight.

JSR_FDED 2mo ago
Except when everyone is trying to sleep and one person has their window up
- noduerme 2mo ago
  I've been that guy, but only if the scenery is interesting. Still, my attitude is that at noon, people don't need to have a blanket placed over their cage like parrots to make them sleep. I also was on a flight once that had a very bouncy landing with all the windows down - when I didn't realize we were anywhere near the ground yet. I'm not into tuning out reality to that degree, and don't really feel obligated to help anyone else do so either ;)
  - rc5150 2mo ago
    On a airplane, one man's noon is another man's 4am. Your attitude is socially problematic.
    - xnx 2mo ago
      Eye masks allow everyone to control their personal light level without making other people responsible.
    - noduerme 2mo ago
      >> Your attitude is socially problematic My response to anyone using that kind of language is "go fuck yourself, you pompous shit," but let me explain more clearly: Me keeping my window open is no more problematic than other people trying to force someone to sit in the dark at noon. What's odious about your comment is that it presumes one is a "problem" if they don't do what everyone around them is doing. Really, the world doesn't need more conformists, but what we really don't need are more people scolding anyone who has a mind of their own. Somehow your comment manages to distill the union of social bullying and cowardice in the fewest possible words. It's interesting. Your language is that of a psychotic conformist, legible to those who don't have that disease.
  - bruce511 2mo ago
    Regulations require that window shades be up (open) during take off and landing. I was sitting next to a passenger once who was asked by the steward to raise the window shade. While doing it, they asked "why". Answering for the steward I said "it's so Fire and Rescue can see into the plane if we crash". (Which is true, I used to work at airport fire and rescue.) The steward looked at me with a "that's not helpful" look. My bad :( . Although I think it's still useful for people to understand things are done for their safety. Not that we expect to crash, and most don't, but every little thing that might improve survival is done. That encourages rather than discourages me.
    - ButlerianJihad 2mo ago
      My home airport is Sky Harbor in Phoenix. There has been at least one instance where the flight crew has required all passengers to close all our window shades while the aircraft was not in motion. And they said this was to prevent overheating from sunlight coming inside. And I was rather miffed about missing out on the view outside, because as a technical guy, I totally enjoy seeing all the activity at an airport! Half the fun of flying!
      - bruce511 2mo ago
        While not in motion, or while in flight, it's not really an issue. Takeoffs and landings are the biggest risk times (and also the best proximity to Fire and Rescue). In hot environments reducing heat load in the plane can definitely improve comfort. Bummer about missing the action though...
    - echoangle 2mo ago
      Isn’t it also so you can look out to see if the emergency exits on that side are usable or if there is a fire or excessive debris blocking the exit?
      - bruce511 2mo ago
        Yes, that's a factor as well. If you're opening a door (or emergency exit) you should look first to see if that side of the plane is on fire. But obviously you can open it to look, and there's only a small number that would apply to. So it's a factor, but the primary reason is being able to look in.
- Cider9986 2mo ago
  Eye mask is requirement no matter the window position.

adaml_623 2mo ago

I love looking out plane windows at night. Distant lightning storms, cities, fishing boats, highways, country borders lit up and stretching as far as you can see.