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That's really untrue. The most productive Java programmers I know do not use IDEs. I've worked with Java programmers in the past who used IDEs. They produced m
by axod 18y ago
That's really untrue. The most productive Java programmers I know do not use IDEs.
I've worked with Java programmers in the past who used IDEs. They produced more lines of code, with far less functionality. Going through their code was horrible. I'm guessing because their IDE conveniently hid most of the cruft from them. As a result they knew far less about the code base than those not using an IDE. etc etc
If your bottleneck is how fast you can type the verbosity, then you're doing something seriously wrong.
- jrockway 18y agoSure, maybe. I've found Java much easier to deal with when I do everything from scratch instead of letting Eclipse handle it. (This basically means setting up Tomcat myself, making an Ant file to build everything, and then editing it all in emacs.) Java is still unpleasant either way. What takes ten files in Java would be ten lines in any other (real) language. Also, the standard library is horribly, horribly designed. If you read the implementation, you'll see it's clear that nobody writing it has any idea what OOP is, which makes me very very sad. Anyway, this idiotic design makes writing Java even more difficult, IDE or not :) Hopefully I will never have to write Java again.
- axod 18y agoidk I think as a language it's fine enough for what it does well. I wouldn't even trust Tomcat personally though. The NIO library for example is fantastically well designed. >> "What takes ten files in Java would be ten lines in any other (real) language." Come on now, it's not quite that bad. Also, I don't really buy into the whole 'all verbose languages are bad' thing.