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It's annoying how many comment sections online are now just Rust vs Fil-C / Zig flamewars, and the creators of those languages are deliberately fanning the flam

by hmry 2mo ago

It's annoying how many comment sections online are now just Rust vs Fil-C / Zig flamewars, and the creators of those languages are deliberately fanning the flames. I also feel there's a second dimension to the politics, where Rust is the "woke" language and C / Zig / Odin are now the "anti-woke" languages. At least, going by their most vocal online communities. I'm sure offline there's still engineering decisions being made (I hope).

estebank 2mo ago
Could you point me at the members of the Rust project doing so? I'd want to have a word with them (I'm a member of t-compiler).
- slopinthebag 2mo ago
  They aren't. It's some random rust users vs the leader of the Zig project, leader of the Fil-c project, the head of community at Zig, etc. But they like to pretend there is an equivalence on the Rust side.
- hmry 2mo ago
  Sorry for not being clear, I meant the creators of Fil-C and Zig (since those are the ones mentioned in the article)
- hitekker 2mo ago
  IIRC, ralfj was insinuating that Java was memory unsafe and arguing about it with experts on HN not too long ago. But I think he was coming off hot from the T-spec debacle so I understand it as him wanting to blow off steam. The most toxic Rust leaders exited from the project a few years back, though some are flaming more freely than ever, e.g., Go barely deserves to exist, “SQlite is a terrible example” etc
  - ssokolow 2mo ago
    I remember seeing a blog post about that years ago and I probably bookmarked it but Firefox doesn't seem to have a way to search bookmarks for "Java" but not "JavaScript" and it appears "memory" wasn't part of the page title. (And it's entirely possible it was back when I ONLY saved a copy of articles of that tier of "I may need this again" via ScrapBook/WebScrapBook, I haven't yet set up the browser/indexer for those and a few quick ripgrep searches aren't turning it up.) I believe it had something to do with the JVM having some flawed semantics which couldn't be fixed without breaking compatibility with existing bytecode.
hitekker 2mo ago
Andrew Kelley is a strong advocate for the LGBTQ and has railed against ICE in Minnesota. I’ve only heard the woke/anti woke framing from Lunduke on the right, and a few Rust fanatics on the left. Both parties and their sympathizers want to fit the Holy Language war into the Culture war™

by hmry 2mo ago

estebank 2mo ago

Could you point me at the members of the Rust project doing so? I'd want to have a word with them (I'm a member of t-compiler).

slopinthebag 2mo ago
They aren't. It's some random rust users vs the leader of the Zig project, leader of the Fil-c project, the head of community at Zig, etc. But they like to pretend there is an equivalence on the Rust side.
hmry 2mo ago
Sorry for not being clear, I meant the creators of Fil-C and Zig (since those are the ones mentioned in the article)
hitekker 2mo ago
IIRC, ralfj was insinuating that Java was memory unsafe and arguing about it with experts on HN not too long ago. But I think he was coming off hot from the T-spec debacle so I understand it as him wanting to blow off steam. The most toxic Rust leaders exited from the project a few years back, though some are flaming more freely than ever, e.g., Go barely deserves to exist, “SQlite is a terrible example” etc
- ssokolow 2mo ago
  I remember seeing a blog post about that years ago and I probably bookmarked it but Firefox doesn't seem to have a way to search bookmarks for "Java" but not "JavaScript" and it appears "memory" wasn't part of the page title. (And it's entirely possible it was back when I ONLY saved a copy of articles of that tier of "I may need this again" via ScrapBook/WebScrapBook, I haven't yet set up the browser/indexer for those and a few quick ripgrep searches aren't turning it up.) I believe it had something to do with the JVM having some flawed semantics which couldn't be fixed without breaking compatibility with existing bytecode.

hitekker 2mo ago

Andrew Kelley is a strong advocate for the LGBTQ and has railed against ICE in Minnesota. I’ve only heard the woke/anti woke framing from Lunduke on the right, and a few Rust fanatics on the left. Both parties and their sympathizers want to fit the Holy Language war into the Culture war™