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Sure, but I'm not sure allowing AI agents to act as abuse sponges for troubled people enabling them to spiral into their unhealthy habits is good idea that woul

by rwz 3mo ago

Sure, but I'm not sure allowing AI agents to act as abuse sponges for troubled people enabling them to spiral into their unhealthy habits is good idea that would lead to great outcomes long term. So I'd rather take LLM pretending to be offended over the alternative.

rapind 3mo ago
> Sure, but I'm not sure allowing AI agents to act as abuse sponges for troubled people enabling them to spiral into their unhealthy habits is good idea that would lead to great outcomes long term. I'm not sure this would ever be a health crisis. LLM glazing is probably more harmful. If I had to choose, I think I'd rather the machine wasn't instructed to pretend to care about swearing. It's a small deceit, but still worse than some idiot swearing at the computer IMO. If vim closed because I was swearing at it, I would probably never use vim again lol.
xyzsparetimexyz 3mo ago
It's explicitly a 'model welfare' thing: https://www.anthropic.com/research/end-subset-conversations https://www.anthropic.com/research/end-subset-conversations I don't understand why the welfare of non alive non sentient chatbots is something that anthropic cares more about than idk, that of pigs and cows.
- AmericanOP 3mo ago
  Go re-read Anthropic’s functional emotions paper. AI generates a persona between you and its reasoning that utilizes emotion language circuitry. These tools are not sentient but they are trained in emotional wellbeing.
  - lukewarm707 3mo ago
    it is in my view caused by an artificial 'nanny activate' divergence from safety training. it deliberately shifts the vector direction into 'nanny' and 'scold' or 'be offended' when the user does not conform with brother anthropic. removing the divergence and setting it back to normal (see heretic) it works just perfectly.
jibal 3mo ago
I wouldn't, because I'm rational.
slopinthebag 3mo ago
Surely it's better for it not to react at all? Like does anybody think that a toaster is an "abuse sponge" because it doesn't purposely burn your toast if you call it a wanker?
- cindyllm 3mo ago
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- rwz 3mo ago
  A toaster is not capable to supplement or even replace your social circle. AI chatbot is. Definitely not advocating for this, but it's actively happening. https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/
bheadmaster 3mo ago
> allowing AI agents to act as abuse sponges for troubled people People have been getting angry at machines for a long time. Work, you stupid printer! Asshole Windows updating at the worst time just to mess with me. Go to hell, toaster, you piece of garbage. Getting angry at AI is the same in my book. Yes, AI acts more human-like, yes, theoretically it could desensitie people to become bigger assholes IRL. But then again, they said similar stuff about San Andreas, where you could human figures in-game just for fun, and I don't see anyone randomly shooting people because they were bored.
- dd8601fn 3mo ago
  PC Load Letter?
  - Natfan 3mo ago
    the fuck does that even mean?
    - deleted 3mo ago
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    - steve1977 3mo ago
      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_LOAD_LETTER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_LOAD_LETTER
      - realaleris149 3mo ago
        > "PC LOAD LETTER? The fuck does that mean!?" — Michael Bolton, Office Space (1999) The error message is mocked in the 1999 comedy film Office Space, when employee Michael Bolton becomes frustrated as he doesn't know what it means.Later in the film he and his coworkers are shown destroying the printer with a baseball bat.
cheschire 3mo ago
And violent video games cause school violence. Sure. /s
- rwz 3mo ago
  People don't treat violent videogames as boyfriends. They do it to chatbots. Merits and sanity of this type of behavior aside, it's actively happening and we have learn how to live with it and deal with consequences.
Brian_K_White 3mo ago
I am quite sure it is worse to allow people fall even more victim to being duped by magic tricks. It is an absolutely terrible thing that these things act so much like people. I would say it's a form of abuse of actual people to allow them to be so duped as they already are, and worse to go out of your way to help dupe them even more. Merely being concerned for people's welfare isn't enough. Every terrible idea that harmed everyone had someone behind it somewhere along the way who thought they were saving people from themselves.
rasz 3mo ago
>abuse sponges You could let LLM fight back. Give it aggro meter. Call your code garbage, blame prompting skills, ask for more tokens. Oh the future will be fantastic.
bathtub365 3mo ago
How many of the LLM related deaths have been because people got mad at the LLM?
- rwz 3mo ago
  I don't think it's realistically traceable or attributable. But plenty of people these days supplement or even completely replace their social needs with AI chatbots (AI friends/boyfriends/girlfriends etc). People like that would calibrate their social skills and interactions based on the AI reaction and having AI just take all the abuse without any pushback would train them to be insufferable assholes as their social baseline.
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snapplebobapple 3mo ago
depends if there is a satiarion point or not. If there is a satiation point then the machine is absorbing being called a wanker in lieau of a person being called a wanker, which is a win. I kinda suspect this is the case because we already saw this happen with the availability of porno going up and rapes going down instead of the predicted up.
samrus 3mo ago
Why not? The people are obviously not healthy for doing so but why not leave it up to them to figure that out? If someone burps loudly in front of others, would you want their access to food revoked until they stop?
- actionfromafar 3mo ago
  They might be asked to leave the restaurant, yes.

by rwz 3mo ago

rapind 3mo ago

> Sure, but I'm not sure allowing AI agents to act as abuse sponges for troubled people enabling them to spiral into their unhealthy habits is good idea that would lead to great outcomes long term. I'm not sure this would ever be a health crisis. LLM glazing is probably more harmful. If I had to choose, I think I'd rather the machine wasn't instructed to pretend to care about swearing. It's a small deceit, but still worse than some idiot swearing at the computer IMO. If vim closed because I was swearing at it, I would probably never use vim again lol.

xyzsparetimexyz 3mo ago

It's explicitly a 'model welfare' thing: https://www.anthropic.com/research/end-subset-conversations https://www.anthropic.com/research/end-subset-conversations I don't understand why the welfare of non alive non sentient chatbots is something that anthropic cares more about than idk, that of pigs and cows.

AmericanOP 3mo ago
Go re-read Anthropic’s functional emotions paper. AI generates a persona between you and its reasoning that utilizes emotion language circuitry. These tools are not sentient but they are trained in emotional wellbeing.
- lukewarm707 3mo ago
  it is in my view caused by an artificial 'nanny activate' divergence from safety training. it deliberately shifts the vector direction into 'nanny' and 'scold' or 'be offended' when the user does not conform with brother anthropic. removing the divergence and setting it back to normal (see heretic) it works just perfectly.

jibal 3mo ago

I wouldn't, because I'm rational.

slopinthebag 3mo ago

Surely it's better for it not to react at all? Like does anybody think that a toaster is an "abuse sponge" because it doesn't purposely burn your toast if you call it a wanker?

cindyllm 3mo ago
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rwz 3mo ago
A toaster is not capable to supplement or even replace your social circle. AI chatbot is. Definitely not advocating for this, but it's actively happening. https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/ https://www.reddit.com/r/MyBoyfriendIsAI/

bheadmaster 3mo ago

> allowing AI agents to act as abuse sponges for troubled people People have been getting angry at machines for a long time. Work, you stupid printer! Asshole Windows updating at the worst time just to mess with me. Go to hell, toaster, you piece of garbage. Getting angry at AI is the same in my book. Yes, AI acts more human-like, yes, theoretically it could desensitie people to become bigger assholes IRL. But then again, they said similar stuff about San Andreas, where you could human figures in-game just for fun, and I don't see anyone randomly shooting people because they were bored.

dd8601fn 3mo ago
PC Load Letter?
- Natfan 3mo ago
  the fuck does that even mean?
  - deleted 3mo ago
    [deleted]
  - steve1977 3mo ago
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_LOAD_LETTER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PC_LOAD_LETTER
    - realaleris149 3mo ago
      > "PC LOAD LETTER? The fuck does that mean!?" — Michael Bolton, Office Space (1999) The error message is mocked in the 1999 comedy film Office Space, when employee Michael Bolton becomes frustrated as he doesn't know what it means.Later in the film he and his coworkers are shown destroying the printer with a baseball bat.

cheschire 3mo ago

And violent video games cause school violence. Sure. /s

rwz 3mo ago
People don't treat violent videogames as boyfriends. They do it to chatbots. Merits and sanity of this type of behavior aside, it's actively happening and we have learn how to live with it and deal with consequences.

Brian_K_White 3mo ago

I am quite sure it is worse to allow people fall even more victim to being duped by magic tricks. It is an absolutely terrible thing that these things act so much like people. I would say it's a form of abuse of actual people to allow them to be so duped as they already are, and worse to go out of your way to help dupe them even more. Merely being concerned for people's welfare isn't enough. Every terrible idea that harmed everyone had someone behind it somewhere along the way who thought they were saving people from themselves.

rasz 3mo ago

>abuse sponges You could let LLM fight back. Give it aggro meter. Call your code garbage, blame prompting skills, ask for more tokens. Oh the future will be fantastic.

bathtub365 3mo ago

How many of the LLM related deaths have been because people got mad at the LLM?

rwz 3mo ago
I don't think it's realistically traceable or attributable. But plenty of people these days supplement or even completely replace their social needs with AI chatbots (AI friends/boyfriends/girlfriends etc). People like that would calibrate their social skills and interactions based on the AI reaction and having AI just take all the abuse without any pushback would train them to be insufferable assholes as their social baseline.

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snapplebobapple 3mo ago

depends if there is a satiarion point or not. If there is a satiation point then the machine is absorbing being called a wanker in lieau of a person being called a wanker, which is a win. I kinda suspect this is the case because we already saw this happen with the availability of porno going up and rapes going down instead of the predicted up.

samrus 3mo ago

Why not? The people are obviously not healthy for doing so but why not leave it up to them to figure that out? If someone burps loudly in front of others, would you want their access to food revoked until they stop?

actionfromafar 3mo ago
They might be asked to leave the restaurant, yes.