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Israel's leader is wanted by the international court for genocide. And lets not forget how Iran's current government took power? US installed a dictator in Ira

by adrr 2mo ago

Israel's leader is wanted by the international court for genocide. And lets not forget how Iran's current government took power? US installed a dictator in Iran because UK was angry that Iran nationalized the UK owned oil fields. This led to a coup, which resulted in the current Iranian government. There's no good guys. Why is the US even there? Edit: downvoted to -3. Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the truth?

strictnein 2mo ago
> This led to a coup, which resulted in the current Iranian government. I mean, you're passing over the violent revolution from socialists and Islamists.
- pbiggar 2mo ago
  America had a violent revolution. So did practically every other country. Are violent revolutions de facto bad?
  - Der_Einzige 2mo ago
    Yes. We had no good justification for war against the crown circa the American revolutionary war. The crown spent a lot of money defending us vs the French in the French and Indian war and were totally justified in levying the extremely low taxes that they did on the colonists. We should be part of Canada right now
    - frollogaston 2mo ago
      Maybe defending and taxing the colonies should've been the colonies' decision, not England's. Even if England gave them a favorable deal that they then broke, England's mistake then. Also, I only care about what outcome is better for us in the long run. Being part of UK or Canada wouldn't have been better. Though many colonies' independence movements have led to disaster.
  - strictnein 2mo ago
    Huh? I'm just pointing out that their supposed timeline of events missed a rather notable one. Also, yes, your insight that not all revolutions are equal is correct. The US "revolution" (really more of a war for independence) was a net positive. The Iranian Revolution (which truly was a revolution) was a net negative.
grumple 2mo ago
The funny thing is that the prosecutor for the ICC (Khan) who issued charges against Netanyahu was just removed today over sexual assault allegations, which had previously not been reported because the Muslim victim was worried that the charges against Netanyahu would be dropped. Khan literally messaged her “Think about the Palestinian arrest warrants”. Palestine has been such an effective political tool for the Muslim oligarchs and patriarchy. So anyway… more bad guys.
mike_d 2mo ago
> US installed a dictator in Iran because UK was angry that Iran nationalized the UK owned oil fields. > Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the truth? It is widely assumed, but not factually correct, that the US was responsible. On August 15th 1953 the CIA staged a coup to overthrow the government, but it failed. By the next day the State Department was actively trying to enter into diplomatic talks. Three days later a group of clerics headed by Ayatollah Borujerdi took advantage of the situation and stirred up unrest that was ultimately responsible for the Shah taking power. They had been concerned about Mossadeq embracing secular liberalism and a referendum that dissolved the Majlis (parliament/congress). MI-6 had offered them support, but they rejected it. I would highly recommend this book if you can get a copy: https://www.amazon.com/Iran-CIA-Fall-Mosaddeq-Revisited/dp/0230579272 https://www.amazon.com/Iran-CIA-Fall-Mosaddeq-Revisited/dp/0...
- adrr 2mo ago
  > On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown in a coup d'état that strengthened the rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran. It was instigated by the United Kingdom (MI6), under the name Operation Boot[5][6][7][8] and the United States (CIA), under the name TP-AJAX Project[9] or Operation Ajax. A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mosaddegh nationalized the country's oil industry Straight from Wikipedia
  - mike_d 2mo ago
    That was the understanding until the CIA released a bunch of documents in 2017 which revealed that it was such an abysmal failure that they almost called off the entire thing. The attempted coup brought out a lot of pro Mossadeq protestors. It wasn't until the 19th when clerics organized anti Mossadeq protestors that it took hold. Might be worth flagging to Wikipedia editors for a review.
    - frollogaston 2mo ago
      Idk which is correct, but I really wouldn't take Wikipedia at face value for this kind of topic. Would dig into the sources if I were more interested.
Braxton1980 2mo ago
>Edit: downvoted to -3. Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the trutH Isn't it an oversimplification to say there are no good guys? O

by adrr 2mo ago

strictnein 2mo ago

> This led to a coup, which resulted in the current Iranian government. I mean, you're passing over the violent revolution from socialists and Islamists.

pbiggar 2mo ago
America had a violent revolution. So did practically every other country. Are violent revolutions de facto bad?
- Der_Einzige 2mo ago
  Yes. We had no good justification for war against the crown circa the American revolutionary war. The crown spent a lot of money defending us vs the French in the French and Indian war and were totally justified in levying the extremely low taxes that they did on the colonists. We should be part of Canada right now
  - frollogaston 2mo ago
    Maybe defending and taxing the colonies should've been the colonies' decision, not England's. Even if England gave them a favorable deal that they then broke, England's mistake then. Also, I only care about what outcome is better for us in the long run. Being part of UK or Canada wouldn't have been better. Though many colonies' independence movements have led to disaster.
- strictnein 2mo ago
  Huh? I'm just pointing out that their supposed timeline of events missed a rather notable one. Also, yes, your insight that not all revolutions are equal is correct. The US "revolution" (really more of a war for independence) was a net positive. The Iranian Revolution (which truly was a revolution) was a net negative.

grumple 2mo ago

The funny thing is that the prosecutor for the ICC (Khan) who issued charges against Netanyahu was just removed today over sexual assault allegations, which had previously not been reported because the Muslim victim was worried that the charges against Netanyahu would be dropped. Khan literally messaged her “Think about the Palestinian arrest warrants”. Palestine has been such an effective political tool for the Muslim oligarchs and patriarchy. So anyway… more bad guys.

mike_d 2mo ago

> US installed a dictator in Iran because UK was angry that Iran nationalized the UK owned oil fields. > Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the truth? It is widely assumed, but not factually correct, that the US was responsible. On August 15th 1953 the CIA staged a coup to overthrow the government, but it failed. By the next day the State Department was actively trying to enter into diplomatic talks. Three days later a group of clerics headed by Ayatollah Borujerdi took advantage of the situation and stirred up unrest that was ultimately responsible for the Shah taking power. They had been concerned about Mossadeq embracing secular liberalism and a referendum that dissolved the Majlis (parliament/congress). MI-6 had offered them support, but they rejected it. I would highly recommend this book if you can get a copy: https://www.amazon.com/Iran-CIA-Fall-Mosaddeq-Revisited/dp/0230579272 https://www.amazon.com/Iran-CIA-Fall-Mosaddeq-Revisited/dp/0...

adrr 2mo ago
> On 19 August 1953, Prime Minister of Iran Mohammad Mosaddegh was overthrown in a coup d'état that strengthened the rule of Mohammad Reza Pahlavi, the Shah of Iran. It was instigated by the United Kingdom (MI6), under the name Operation Boot[5][6][7][8] and the United States (CIA), under the name TP-AJAX Project[9] or Operation Ajax. A key motive was to protect British oil interests in Iran after Mosaddegh nationalized the country's oil industry Straight from Wikipedia
- mike_d 2mo ago
  That was the understanding until the CIA released a bunch of documents in 2017 which revealed that it was such an abysmal failure that they almost called off the entire thing. The attempted coup brought out a lot of pro Mossadeq protestors. It wasn't until the 19th when clerics organized anti Mossadeq protestors that it took hold. Might be worth flagging to Wikipedia editors for a review.
  - frollogaston 2mo ago
    Idk which is correct, but I really wouldn't take Wikipedia at face value for this kind of topic. Would dig into the sources if I were more interested.

Braxton1980 2mo ago

>Edit: downvoted to -3. Did i say anything that was untrue? Or do people not like the trutH Isn't it an oversimplification to say there are no good guys? O