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The naming system is so confusing. Is Opus better than Sonnet? Where does Haiku fit in? How can you tell from the name? I can't keep track of all these names or
by petilon 2mo ago
The naming system is so confusing. Is Opus better than Sonnet? Where does Haiku fit in? How can you tell from the name? I can't keep track of all these names or make guesses from the names. Suggestion for a better naming system: use the words "Pro", "Plus", etc.: Claude 5 Pro, Claude 5 Standard, Claude 5 Fast, Claude 5 Mini.
- abalaji 2mo agoOpus is better than Sonnet -- an Opus is longer than a Sonnet
- petilon 2mo ago> an Opus is longer than a Sonnet And people know this? I didn't. I am not into music or poetry so these are not terms I am familiar with.
- MostlyStable 2mo agoI guess you are one of today's lucky 10,000 [0] [0] https://xkcd.com/1053/ https://xkcd.com/1053/
- josefresco 2mo agoNot as lucky as the guy seeing the Mentos/Soda trick for the first time!
- Mossly 2mo agoThis inspired me to check lol. Brysbaert et al. (2019) collected word prevalence norms (the share of people who report knowing each word) for ~62K English lemmas from ~220K participants. fable: 99/100 sonnet: 97/100 haiku: 91/100 opus: 89/100 So while these terms are almost universally known, opus is indeed the least known of the four. And I guess this only measures whether a person knows a word, not whether they know an opus is longer than a sonnet! Personally I only inferred that based on the related term 'magnum opus.'
- bonoboTP 2mo agoAn opus is just short for "magnum opus", and it's a different type of label than a sonnet. A sonnet is a very particular kind of poem, while "opus" basically just means an important work. It can be short or long, and has no format requirements like sonnet (or haiku does). And fables are not particularly long actually.
- bonoboTP 2mo agoTo clarify: opus is not the same thing as έπος (épos), which is rendered as epic in English, both as adjective and noun. An έπος is indeed a type of long written work, but opus (work) is unrelated etymologically, they come from different Proto-Indo-European roots.
- hk__2 2mo agoAn opus is longer than a sonnet, which is longer than a haiku. Hence Opus > Sonnet > Haiku. > Suggestion for a better naming system: use the words "Pro", "Plus", etc.: Claude 5 Pro, Claude 5 Standard, Claude 5 Fast, Claude 5 Mini. This is not possible: Standard (Free) / Pro / Max are plan names. Fast is a mode.
- taybin 2mo agoHow long is a fable though?
- FergusArgyll 2mo agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop's_Fables#Select_fables https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aesop's_Fables#Select_fables Enjoy
- einsteinx2 2mo agoFable is better than Opus which is better than Sonnet which is better than Haiku. They’re basically just sizes. Though it gets even more confusing because they also have effort levels so it’s not really possible to call one fast and one slow since Fable on Medium will be faster than Opus on Max. I agree it’s confusing, and now OpenAI is following Anthropic’s lead with their new naming (Sol, Terra, Luna).
- bonoboTP 2mo agoIt's really not all that confusing. It takes 5 minutes to understand. Optimizing for absolutely no effort needed is silly. It's a thing, a topic, a skill, a domain. You have to get a little bit familiar with the terms in order to use it. Everything works like that. It's not that hard. The learning curve is very graceful. You can literally just start by asking any chatbot what the names mean. It's that easy. A similar complaint was valid years ago when OpenAI had GPT-4o, o1, o3 (but no o2), o4-mini-high, GPT-4, and GPT-4.1 and GPT-3.5 etc.
- einsteinx2 2mo agoI am familiar with the terms, but I also can see how it can be confusing for a lot of people. Arguably the complaint was more valid for those older GPT models you mentioned.
- bonoboTP 2mo agoOk, the boring way would be a subset of XXS, XS, S, M, L, XL, XXL like clothes sizes. But it loses some marketing appeal and a quirky touch of personality that companies like. Some models like ViTs use something similar but then introduce words with no unambiguous order, like Small, Medium/Base, Large but then I always forget if Huge or Giant is larger.
- paxys 2mo agoBut according to their benchmarks Opus 5 outscores Fable 5 on basically everything. So which one is “better”?
- JacobAsmuth 2mo agoYou're confused by this? Fable > Opus > Sonnet > Haiku. Sort by price. Most expensive = better. Are you an alien? lol