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>OP is not ready for corporate environments if "VPN + ssh + 2FA" already "feels like too much" lol Sad that it's necessary, but it's still a shitty environment

>OP is not ready for corporate environments if "VPN + ssh + 2FA" already "feels like too much" lol Sad that it's necessary, but it's still a shitty environment. That employers foist it on their employees doesn't make it better. >I also wonder how they didn't come across X Forwarding at all? Xforwarding over VPN+residential broadband sounds like a great way to ...not use any sort of gui app.

gregdaniels421 2mo ago
> Xforwarding over VPN+residential broadband sounds like a great way to ...not use any sort of gui app. During COVID I had the wonderful opportunity to remote into a work computer that had a Matlab license and watch the screen slowly paint in. Each keystroke took multiple seconds to display for me.
- linksnapzz 2mo ago
  X was never, ever, designed for high-latency networks. I don't understand what people are thinking when they recommend that use-case for X apps.
- tjoff 2mo ago
  x2go can be a bit janky but when setup correctly it can deliver the promise of x-forwarding with good performance even over internet. Love the ability to just forward one or several applications directly instead of the whole desktop environment. Ability to resume connections are also a godsend. Seems like that usecase isn't given a lot of effort nowadays.
- throw0101a 2mo ago
  I remoted into my Linux desktop that was at my desk over SSH, and things ran fine with Xvnc: Firefox, Terminal, Thunderbird, etc. I was able to do my sysadmin job without issue.
  - linksnapzz 2mo ago
    VNC-remoting an X desktop isn't X11 forwarding an application; the mechanism that is moving pixels to the screen where you're looking at them is distinct, and different.
    - throw0101a 2mo ago
      I understand that: I remember when X11 was The Thing (I used to admin Sun sun4m workstations) and I remember when VNC was first invented by some folks at AT&T. But this is an "XY problem" situation: what you want to get a GUI app running on a remote system to have its window display on the screen in front of you. Xvnc can accomplish that.
fxwin 2mo ago
Yea it's a shitty environment, it's just a "oh sweet summer child" kind of thing to say :) I agree that X forwarding is a terrible way for GUI apps, but the OP read like they were just looking at logs or plots/visualizations without much interactivity. X forwarding is good enough for that (At least good enough to give it a try over scping files back and forth)

gregdaniels421 2mo ago

> Xforwarding over VPN+residential broadband sounds like a great way to ...not use any sort of gui app. During COVID I had the wonderful opportunity to remote into a work computer that had a Matlab license and watch the screen slowly paint in. Each keystroke took multiple seconds to display for me.

linksnapzz 2mo ago
X was never, ever, designed for high-latency networks. I don't understand what people are thinking when they recommend that use-case for X apps.
tjoff 2mo ago
x2go can be a bit janky but when setup correctly it can deliver the promise of x-forwarding with good performance even over internet. Love the ability to just forward one or several applications directly instead of the whole desktop environment. Ability to resume connections are also a godsend. Seems like that usecase isn't given a lot of effort nowadays.
throw0101a 2mo ago
I remoted into my Linux desktop that was at my desk over SSH, and things ran fine with Xvnc: Firefox, Terminal, Thunderbird, etc. I was able to do my sysadmin job without issue.
- linksnapzz 2mo ago
  VNC-remoting an X desktop isn't X11 forwarding an application; the mechanism that is moving pixels to the screen where you're looking at them is distinct, and different.
  - throw0101a 2mo ago
    I understand that: I remember when X11 was The Thing (I used to admin Sun sun4m workstations) and I remember when VNC was first invented by some folks at AT&T. But this is an "XY problem" situation: what you want to get a GUI app running on a remote system to have its window display on the screen in front of you. Xvnc can accomplish that.

fxwin 2mo ago

Yea it's a shitty environment, it's just a "oh sweet summer child" kind of thing to say :) I agree that X forwarding is a terrible way for GUI apps, but the OP read like they were just looking at logs or plots/visualizations without much interactivity. X forwarding is good enough for that (At least good enough to give it a try over scping files back and forth)