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And it's worth considering that obfuscation only ever worked against casuals for whom tedious was a bridge too far. Nation state actors and criminal hacker grou
by llm_nerd 3mo ago
And it's worth considering that obfuscation only ever worked against casuals for whom tedious was a bridge too far. Nation state actors and criminal hacker groups, on the other hand, consider the tedious entirely worth it.
- walrus01 3mo ago> consider the tedious entirely worth it. Entirely without LLMs, I'm imagining an office of North Korean compsci graduates doing astonishingly tedious tasks, for whom an office job on a basic Linux computer and slightly better diet and nice apartment put them in the top 1-2% of living standard in the country.
- inigyou 3mo agoPirates checked Denuvo, once considered the king of DRM.
- inigyou 3mo agocracked*
- phh 3mo agoYes, obfuscation was always a matter of cost: how much money do you need to break the protection? LLM just decreased that amount by a lot. (Yes ok, RSA4096 is technically a matter of cost, you just need an infinite amount of money)
- jaggederest 3mo agoThe cool thing about cryptographic security is that it's an asymmetric amount of cost for both parties - to encode is cheap, to break is many orders of magnitude harder, unlike obfuscation where the difficulty is approximately symmetrical.
- TeMPOraL 3mo agoAll security is always a matter of cost. Clown theater starts once you lose track of it, and start doing security for security's sake. RE obfuscation and nation states - nation states have finite budgets too, both in terms of resources and attention. They can crack any system at any time, but they can't afford to crack all of the systems all of the time.