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Rip German industry. Gerhard Schroeder was a good Chancellor.
by lovegrenoble 2mo ago
Rip German industry.
Gerhard Schroeder was a good Chancellor.
- Tade0 2mo agoSchroeder lobbied for Germany to remain dependent on Russian gas. Huge net negative in the long run.
- ErneX 2mo agoMy guess is OP was being sarcastic.
- jojomodding 2mo agoYou can never know. People in Germany have wildly divergent takes on what would be good for the country right now and some things that are acceptable to say in mainstream circles seem batshit insane to me.
- ShinyLeftPad 2mo agoIsn't that freedom of speech?
- asd-1287 2mo ago[dead]
- usrnm 2mo agoGenuinely curious, what alternatives were there in the 2000s? Did dependency on Russian gas doom German manufacturing or did it provide it 20 additional years of artificial life support?
- thyristan 2mo agoNuclear. The Schroeder government initiated the German nuclear phase-out (which was later reverted and re-reverted by Merkel). But rumor has it that the nuclear phase-out wasn't only motivated by the greens being anti-nuke, but also by Schroeder being interested in pushing gas instead. Btw., after his chancellorship, Schroeder got a post at the Russian state gas supplier Gazprom.
- Tade0 2mo agoGermany's gas problem wasn't purely about energy, but the availability of feedstock to produce chemicals. Natural gas, being 90% methane, is a valuable source of hydrogen.
- ricardobayes 2mo agoThat's just the energy part of it, German heavy industry needs petroleum-derived products as raw materials.
- mft_ 2mo agoHis direct involvement with the Russian oil and gas sector (and, most likely, influence on their behalf) is a lot more recent than just 'the 2000s' [0][1]. [0] https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/ex-german-chancellor-schroders-continued-ties-russian-energy-industry-spark-outcry https://www.cleanenergywire.org/news/ex-german-chancellor-sc... [1] https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Rosneft https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Schr%C3%B6der#Rosneft
- iamflimflam1 2mo agoThe alternative was to aggressively pursue nuclear power.
- Tade0 2mo agoDiversifying just a little bit would go a long way. When Russia invaded Ukraine suddenly several LNG terminals gained regulatory approval, even though previously those projects were in bureaucratic purgatory for years.
- dachworker 2mo agoAt the time it was a perfectly rational decision that followed the liberal foreign policy dogma of the time, which advocated that we tie up unstable countries with economic trade, so they become less incentivized to create havoc. Let's please not rewrite history.
- tyromaniac 2mo ago*Giving "unstable" countries leverage over your economic trade FIFY
- Towaway69 2mo agoIn the context of the times it was the aim of Europe to integrate Russia into the EU zone. Who gave Russia all that money to convert to capitalism after the fall of the wall? The US. Who wanted Russia to become a capitalistic nation? The west. That it failed is in whose interest? And who is scared of Chinese influence? And who outsourced all their manufacturing to China? Sometimes context does matter.