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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...

by pelasaco 3mo ago

zyx321 3mo ago
The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the spicy autocomplete.
- pelasaco 3mo ago
  well one can argue that many more people will write code with AI assistance than without it.. here i see the opposite: The wish of few outweigh the need of many.
  - zyx321 3mo ago
    Can one argue with a straight face that people will learn to code better by using a predominantly AI-based workflow? Or even learn by reading vibecode uploaded by someone else? Hell, I'd argue that Vibecode without the prompt that generated it isn't even real open source.
    - pelasaco 3mo ago
      Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? Who wants to learn, learns.. we did without Internet, and I still learn with AI.. btw, is in the "Satzung" from Codeberg e.V something about "learn to code?
      - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
        > Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? The learning doesn't come from copying and pasting code from stack overflow. It comes from A) searching which code to copy and paste and B) Fixing the broken code that you just copied and pasted. I suspect most programmers outgrow the "copying and pasting from stackoverflow" period of their development pretty quickly when they get frustrated by the fact that most of the stuff they were copying and pasting is broken or sub optimal in some way. If they prompt claude "write me a function", and then when it's broken they prompt "fix the broken function", they're learning (and doing!) a lot less.
        pelasaco 3mo ago
        That's no sense. People learn in different ways. Multiple people just copied and pasted from stack overflow. Other learned from that. Same with AI
      - zyx321 3mo ago
        Did you... read my post? The first thing I posted in this thread was a direct quote from the Satzung. Did you think "education" was about learning the history of the Ottoman Empire..?
        pelasaco 3mo ago
        Your first post has nothing about "learning", it comes from the Satzung, but it has 0 contact with really. Typical Berlin
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All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others...

zyx321 3mo ago

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the spicy autocomplete.

pelasaco 3mo ago
well one can argue that many more people will write code with AI assistance than without it.. here i see the opposite: The wish of few outweigh the need of many.
- zyx321 3mo ago
  Can one argue with a straight face that people will learn to code better by using a predominantly AI-based workflow? Or even learn by reading vibecode uploaded by someone else? Hell, I'd argue that Vibecode without the prompt that generated it isn't even real open source.
  - pelasaco 3mo ago
    Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? Who wants to learn, learns.. we did without Internet, and I still learn with AI.. btw, is in the "Satzung" from Codeberg e.V something about "learn to code?
    - bigfishrunning 3mo ago
      > Can you argue that you could learn to code better, copying and paste code from stack overflow? The learning doesn't come from copying and pasting code from stack overflow. It comes from A) searching which code to copy and paste and B) Fixing the broken code that you just copied and pasted. I suspect most programmers outgrow the "copying and pasting from stackoverflow" period of their development pretty quickly when they get frustrated by the fact that most of the stuff they were copying and pasting is broken or sub optimal in some way. If they prompt claude "write me a function", and then when it's broken they prompt "fix the broken function", they're learning (and doing!) a lot less.
      - pelasaco 3mo ago
        That's no sense. People learn in different ways. Multiple people just copied and pasted from stack overflow. Other learned from that. Same with AI
    - zyx321 3mo ago
      Did you... read my post? The first thing I posted in this thread was a direct quote from the Satzung. Did you think "education" was about learning the history of the Ottoman Empire..?
      - pelasaco 3mo ago
        Your first post has nothing about "learning", it comes from the Satzung, but it has 0 contact with really. Typical Berlin
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