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I'm not at all disagreeing with you about calling these models "open source". They mostly aren't and we should stop conflating the two things.
by SwellJoe 3mo ago
I'm not at all disagreeing with you about calling these models "open source". They mostly aren't and we should stop conflating the two things.
- thewebguyd 3mo agoI think using the term "open" at all in relation to these models is a misnomer. Much in the same way we've spent a lot of time and effort distinguishing "open source" from "source available" Perhaps instead of "Open weight model" it should be "Weights available model"
- SwellJoe 3mo agoDefinitely, but there's also a distinction between "weights available" and "you can do stuff with those weights". There are models you can download but the license prohibits redistribution, fine-tuning, etc. The earlier Gemma models had license encumbrances, for instance, that Gemma 4 do not.