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> Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models But we get ~$2500/mo worth of Fable credits for $200/mo on Anthropic pan? I'm still confused why

> Fable-level results at 1/3 the cost using open-weight models But we get ~$2500/mo worth of Fable credits for $200/mo on Anthropic pan? I'm still confused why people (who don't have to use API billing) are chasing open weight models based on cost.

teruakohatu 3mo ago
Because that is a short term solution, it won’t be offered forever. Large organisations have to purchase credits at $/tokens. Eventually everyone else will too.
- sscaryterry 3mo ago
  This is what OpenAI and Anthropic are trying to make everyone believe. Most accountants will flinch at this (they already are). The $200 odd plans are already out of reach of many, many people. The attrition of customers if they were to get rid of these subscriptions plans would be untenable.
  - recursivegirth 3mo ago
    I think you are looking at it incorrectly. No business is buying individual accounts, because if they do, they open themselves up to considerable risk. The $200 plans are priced so that the power-users use them and then advocate about how great the product is. If you're buying a $200 plan, you're not doing it because of the price point but rather because of the amount of work it is doing for you.
    - trollbridge 3mo ago
      Lots of businesses are buying and using these plans. Basically every small business I interact with.
    - anonzzzies 3mo ago
      All companies we interact with have 200 plans.
dberg 3mo ago
doesnt exist for enterprise plans
combyn8tor 3mo ago
You may want to consider the incomes of developers outside the US, students, unemployed. $200/month is a lot to a lot of people.
- dbbk 3mo ago
  They can still write code.
- gruez 3mo ago
  The point still stands. The chinese labs don't have super discounted plans, so if the price per task benchmarks[1] are correct, and we apply the discount, you'll actually be paying more by using cheaper chinese models and this technique. https://artificialanalysis.ai/agents/coding-agents#artificial-analysis-coding-agent-index-vs-cost-per-task https://artificialanalysis.ai/agents/coding-agents#artificia...
  - combyn8tor 3mo ago
    The point doesn't stand, and this comment appears to be spam.
recursivegirth 3mo ago
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- drnick1 3mo ago
  > When they are successful at making those illegal/inaccessible This would be like trying to outlaw Linux or peer-to-peer file sharing. It's technically possible to write and pass a law, but it's basically impossible to enforce it.
  - switchbak 3mo ago
    Enough to make it a non-started at the organizations that pay their bills. Everyone else isn't big enough to matter.
    - trollbridge 3mo ago
      Going to be an interesting world where big enterprises have to spend 100X the cost for the same value of AI as startups and small businesses.
      - recursivegirth 3mo ago
        I think they call that inflation :).
- dang 3mo ago
  > The good ole American way. Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
  - recursivegirth 3mo ago
    > unsubstantive LOL, seems your only issue is when someone goes against you politically. You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line? Do you not think that YC culture, startup culture, is not intertwined with the economy? I could stop, but is that the type of community you want to cultivate? My contact information is in my bio if you want to seriously talk about this topic, I would be more than happy to get on a call with you. I feel you are being more than disingenuous with your application of the "rules".
eikenberry 3mo ago
I think most people assume the subsidized plans will go away or get more limited eventually. They are basically a loss leader and a marketing cost that is very flexible and easy to change w/o directly impacting their primary customers.

teruakohatu 3mo ago

Because that is a short term solution, it won’t be offered forever. Large organisations have to purchase credits at $/tokens. Eventually everyone else will too.

sscaryterry 3mo ago
This is what OpenAI and Anthropic are trying to make everyone believe. Most accountants will flinch at this (they already are). The $200 odd plans are already out of reach of many, many people. The attrition of customers if they were to get rid of these subscriptions plans would be untenable.
- recursivegirth 3mo ago
  I think you are looking at it incorrectly. No business is buying individual accounts, because if they do, they open themselves up to considerable risk. The $200 plans are priced so that the power-users use them and then advocate about how great the product is. If you're buying a $200 plan, you're not doing it because of the price point but rather because of the amount of work it is doing for you.
  - trollbridge 3mo ago
    Lots of businesses are buying and using these plans. Basically every small business I interact with.
  - anonzzzies 3mo ago
    All companies we interact with have 200 plans.

dberg 3mo ago

doesnt exist for enterprise plans

combyn8tor 3mo ago

You may want to consider the incomes of developers outside the US, students, unemployed. $200/month is a lot to a lot of people.

dbbk 3mo ago
They can still write code.
gruez 3mo ago
The point still stands. The chinese labs don't have super discounted plans, so if the price per task benchmarks[1] are correct, and we apply the discount, you'll actually be paying more by using cheaper chinese models and this technique. https://artificialanalysis.ai/agents/coding-agents#artificial-analysis-coding-agent-index-vs-cost-per-task https://artificialanalysis.ai/agents/coding-agents#artificia...
- combyn8tor 3mo ago
  The point doesn't stand, and this comment appears to be spam.

recursivegirth 3mo ago

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drnick1 3mo ago
> When they are successful at making those illegal/inaccessible This would be like trying to outlaw Linux or peer-to-peer file sharing. It's technically possible to write and pass a law, but it's basically impossible to enforce it.
- switchbak 3mo ago
  Enough to make it a non-started at the organizations that pay their bills. Everyone else isn't big enough to matter.
  - trollbridge 3mo ago
    Going to be an interesting world where big enterprises have to spend 100X the cost for the same value of AI as startups and small businesses.
    - recursivegirth 3mo ago
      I think they call that inflation :).
dang 3mo ago
> The good ole American way. Could you please stop posting unsubstantive comments and flamebait? You've unfortunately been doing it repeatedly. It's not what this site is for, and destroys what it is for. If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and taking the intended spirit of the site more to heart, we'd be grateful.
- recursivegirth 3mo ago
  > unsubstantive LOL, seems your only issue is when someone goes against you politically. You allow so much anti-American propaganda on this site, and me calling out capitalistic tendencies is where you want to draw the line? Do you not think that YC culture, startup culture, is not intertwined with the economy? I could stop, but is that the type of community you want to cultivate? My contact information is in my bio if you want to seriously talk about this topic, I would be more than happy to get on a call with you. I feel you are being more than disingenuous with your application of the "rules".

eikenberry 3mo ago

I think most people assume the subsidized plans will go away or get more limited eventually. They are basically a loss leader and a marketing cost that is very flexible and easy to change w/o directly impacting their primary customers.