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Got it. But then why Nike/Adidas/Quicksilver/etc cannot bring back clothes from the 90s? Buying second hand is not that nice (smells that never go away) and “v

Got it. But then why Nike/Adidas/Quicksilver/etc cannot bring back clothes from the 90s? Buying second hand is not that nice (smells that never go away) and “vintage” places sell min. catalogue buy way overpriced.

Schiendelman 2mo ago
Clothes made in the 90s used different materials and stitching than they do today, and likely cost more to produce. They'd probably need old machines they haven't had in decades.
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HardwareLust 2mo ago
Great question!
sublinear 2mo ago
Have you tried dry cleaning?
ragall 2mo ago
> But then why Nike/Adidas/Quicksilver/etc cannot bring back clothes from the 90s? They can, but people wouldn't want to pay the price. When adjusting for inflation, clothes today are much cheaper than 30 years ago, and the main producers of high-quality cotton (Kazakhstan and Egypt) are having continuous drought problems so the best raw material is even more expensive. The combination of customer expectation for low prices, and more expensive raw materials, exacerbated by lower production volume, means that very few would be willing to buy. As an example, take a look at the high quality jeans market: there are a few niche companies in Japan, Europe, US and Canada producing jeans at the same level of quality as 50-100 years ago, in some cases the exact same model as, say, a 1950's Levi's. Those jeans start at $200 per pair, but go even up to $400-500 and the manufacturers are barely surviving.
- ezst 2mo ago
  > and the manufacturers are barely surviving I feel for them because I wouldn't mind paying 2/3 times the price for something of measurably higher quality and durability, but it takes effort and dedication to accomplish that as a customer. Effectively the market is saturated with premium-branded items that are marginally better or sometimes worse (a lot of what you see as "technical clothing" comes across that way at least), you feel gaslit by marketing, fake reviews and astroturfing campaigns, and there are only so many deceptions, defeats and financial losses you can sustain before going back to the devil you know: the default everyone else is buying.
  - ragall 2mo ago
    > but it takes effort and dedication to accomplish that as a customer Yes, that's true and IMO the main reason why even people with the money end up buying the same bad products: they often don't have the time to learn and form a taste.
- Xymist 2mo ago
  Which companies are those? My last batch of Levi's moved them into "never again" status - noticeably cheaper fabric than the previous batch, flawed stitching, cheaper logos and tags. I paid more per pair than five years ago (unacceptable for a commodity) and got a worse product (doubly unacceptable for anything). I need tough black jeans I can trust to last a decade; I don't mind spending £250 on them but I do mind getting soft cheap cotton which will go to holes just from daily wear.
  - ragall 2mo ago
    * Iron Heart (UK): https://ironheart.co.uk https://ironheart.co.uk * Naked and Famous (Canada): https://nakedandfamousdenim.com https://nakedandfamousdenim.com. They also have a cheaper brand that uses the same Japanese denim but the garments are made in China (https://theunbrandedbrand.com https://theunbrandedbrand.com), which is still better than Levi's. * 3Sixteen (US): https://www.3sixteen.com https://www.3sixteen.com * The Flat Head (Japan): https://privateandco.ca/collections/the-flat-head https://privateandco.ca/collections/the-flat-head * SugarCane (Japan): https://sugarcanejeans.com/ https://sugarcanejeans.com/ * TCB (Japan): https://tcbjeans.myshopify.com/ https://tcbjeans.myshopify.com/ Most of the Japanese brands are hard to get outside Japan, and flying to Tokyo is often the best way to get one, otherwise you're stuck with buying online but you have to know well what you're doing because Japanese denim is almost always unwashed, meaning it will shrink after use so you really have to know how much higher a size to order so that it will fit you well after 6 months.
bamboozled 2mo ago
Billabong and quicksilver are selling 90s board short models now. They are fairly popular so …
rustcleaner 2mo ago
If we ban the FED from conjuring new Dollars for buying debt and securities, and the only way fresh printed Dollars enter circulation is if apportioned to every citizen equally (debt-free), then we could have all these nice things again. Companies and rich people would need to cater to the populace in order to rake in the inflationbux and pay their taxes. Right now only governments, big businesses, and big asset owners get first spend on inflationbux, and it has resulted in we the people having only 1/3rd the purchasing power for the Dollar earned in wages as we had in 1960! My TradingView (Yearly) model for the phenomenon: 23.05*10^12/M2SL*A4102C1Q027SBEA/(USPOP*CIVPART/100*(1-UNRATE/100)) A4102C1Q027SBEA is total US wages/salaries, A4102C1Q027SBEA/(USPOP*CIVPART/100*(1-UNRATE/100)) attempts to get a rough average of individual wage/salary, 23.05*10^12/M2SL normalizes the time series to today's Dollar value (in M2 terms).
psd1 2mo ago
A vinegar soak gets rid of almost all smells, and a sodium bicarb soak gets rid of the rest. Air freshener spray is incrementally effective for items you don't want to soak.

Schiendelman 2mo ago

Clothes made in the 90s used different materials and stitching than they do today, and likely cost more to produce. They'd probably need old machines they haven't had in decades.

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HardwareLust 2mo ago

Great question!

sublinear 2mo ago

Have you tried dry cleaning?

ragall 2mo ago

> But then why Nike/Adidas/Quicksilver/etc cannot bring back clothes from the 90s? They can, but people wouldn't want to pay the price. When adjusting for inflation, clothes today are much cheaper than 30 years ago, and the main producers of high-quality cotton (Kazakhstan and Egypt) are having continuous drought problems so the best raw material is even more expensive. The combination of customer expectation for low prices, and more expensive raw materials, exacerbated by lower production volume, means that very few would be willing to buy. As an example, take a look at the high quality jeans market: there are a few niche companies in Japan, Europe, US and Canada producing jeans at the same level of quality as 50-100 years ago, in some cases the exact same model as, say, a 1950's Levi's. Those jeans start at $200 per pair, but go even up to $400-500 and the manufacturers are barely surviving.

ezst 2mo ago
> and the manufacturers are barely surviving I feel for them because I wouldn't mind paying 2/3 times the price for something of measurably higher quality and durability, but it takes effort and dedication to accomplish that as a customer. Effectively the market is saturated with premium-branded items that are marginally better or sometimes worse (a lot of what you see as "technical clothing" comes across that way at least), you feel gaslit by marketing, fake reviews and astroturfing campaigns, and there are only so many deceptions, defeats and financial losses you can sustain before going back to the devil you know: the default everyone else is buying.
- ragall 2mo ago
  > but it takes effort and dedication to accomplish that as a customer Yes, that's true and IMO the main reason why even people with the money end up buying the same bad products: they often don't have the time to learn and form a taste.
Xymist 2mo ago
Which companies are those? My last batch of Levi's moved them into "never again" status - noticeably cheaper fabric than the previous batch, flawed stitching, cheaper logos and tags. I paid more per pair than five years ago (unacceptable for a commodity) and got a worse product (doubly unacceptable for anything). I need tough black jeans I can trust to last a decade; I don't mind spending £250 on them but I do mind getting soft cheap cotton which will go to holes just from daily wear.
- ragall 2mo ago
  * Iron Heart (UK): https://ironheart.co.uk https://ironheart.co.uk * Naked and Famous (Canada): https://nakedandfamousdenim.com https://nakedandfamousdenim.com. They also have a cheaper brand that uses the same Japanese denim but the garments are made in China (https://theunbrandedbrand.com https://theunbrandedbrand.com), which is still better than Levi's. * 3Sixteen (US): https://www.3sixteen.com https://www.3sixteen.com * The Flat Head (Japan): https://privateandco.ca/collections/the-flat-head https://privateandco.ca/collections/the-flat-head * SugarCane (Japan): https://sugarcanejeans.com/ https://sugarcanejeans.com/ * TCB (Japan): https://tcbjeans.myshopify.com/ https://tcbjeans.myshopify.com/ Most of the Japanese brands are hard to get outside Japan, and flying to Tokyo is often the best way to get one, otherwise you're stuck with buying online but you have to know well what you're doing because Japanese denim is almost always unwashed, meaning it will shrink after use so you really have to know how much higher a size to order so that it will fit you well after 6 months.

bamboozled 2mo ago

Billabong and quicksilver are selling 90s board short models now. They are fairly popular so …

rustcleaner 2mo ago

If we ban the FED from conjuring new Dollars for buying debt and securities, and the only way fresh printed Dollars enter circulation is if apportioned to every citizen equally (debt-free), then we could have all these nice things again. Companies and rich people would need to cater to the populace in order to rake in the inflationbux and pay their taxes. Right now only governments, big businesses, and big asset owners get first spend on inflationbux, and it has resulted in we the people having only 1/3rd the purchasing power for the Dollar earned in wages as we had in 1960! My TradingView (Yearly) model for the phenomenon: 23.05*10^12/M2SL*A4102C1Q027SBEA/(USPOP*CIVPART/100*(1-UNRATE/100)) A4102C1Q027SBEA is total US wages/salaries, A4102C1Q027SBEA/(USPOP*CIVPART/100*(1-UNRATE/100)) attempts to get a rough average of individual wage/salary, 23.05*10^12/M2SL normalizes the time series to today's Dollar value (in M2 terms).

psd1 2mo ago

A vinegar soak gets rid of almost all smells, and a sodium bicarb soak gets rid of the rest. Air freshener spray is incrementally effective for items you don't want to soak.