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> who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? All of them. Pretending there is a benevolent bu

> who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? All of them. Pretending there is a benevolent bully among Russia, China and America is baseless. This is probably the strongest moral argument for open-weight models. It decouples AI, somewhat, from military-industrial might.

barbazoo 3mo ago
This is proof the US propaganda is working. How much damage has China done recently militarily?
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > This is proof the US propaganda is working This is a thought-terminating cliche. (The folks telling you to stop being sheeple are unusually consistently claimed independent thinkers.) > How much damage has China done recently militarily? Exempting the Iran war, which has no justification, as much as America. We’re both backing proxies. (Though we’ve had a while since we shot at or annexed our neighbours.)
  - advael 3mo ago
    It seems pretty silly to answer a question about military intervention by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted
    - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
      > by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted I’m not. I’m saying exempting that, we have an even field of conflict mongering. Counting Iran, the field is biased, but we have significant sampling-timing issues for something like “is there war.” China has violently annexed sovereign countries in the past decades. Its threats to do the same again are at least as serious as Trump’s Greenland nonsense. There can be more than one baddie.
      - nixon_why69 3mo ago
        Iraq war? Venezuela raid? Libya? Syria? Afghanistan for 20 years? And that's just some of the higher visibility cases. If China had special forces deployed and conducting ops in random African countries it would be a massive aggression. When we do it, it doesn't even make the headlines.
        JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
        > If China had special forces deployed and conducting ops in random African countries it would be a massive aggression It’s literally doing this across its maritime and mountain boundaries! It does cause outrage, albeit less so in mass media.
        barbazoo 3mo ago
        What's a good example you would say?
        nixon_why69 3mo ago
        I think they're referring to occasional fist fights between the Indian and Chinese deployments at the top of the Himalayas where there's a dumb territorial dispute. There were a couple of times decades ago where the forces shot at each other and the governments had to scramble to calm things down and deescalate, so somehow they've reached this gentleman's agreement to have fistfights instead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute We're talking about this kind of thing balancing out, say, Fallujah or shock and awe over Baghdad.
        JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
        > We're talking about this kind of thing balancing out, say, Fallujah or shock and awe over Baghdad Nonsense. For that comparison you’d look to the invasion and annexation of Tibet. (And it’s not ancient history if it’s currently endorsed and un-apologized for.)

barbazoo 3mo ago

This is proof the US propaganda is working. How much damage has China done recently militarily?

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> This is proof the US propaganda is working This is a thought-terminating cliche. (The folks telling you to stop being sheeple are unusually consistently claimed independent thinkers.) > How much damage has China done recently militarily? Exempting the Iran war, which has no justification, as much as America. We’re both backing proxies. (Though we’ve had a while since we shot at or annexed our neighbours.)
- advael 3mo ago
  It seems pretty silly to answer a question about military intervention by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    > by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted I’m not. I’m saying exempting that, we have an even field of conflict mongering. Counting Iran, the field is biased, but we have significant sampling-timing issues for something like “is there war.” China has violently annexed sovereign countries in the past decades. Its threats to do the same again are at least as serious as Trump’s Greenland nonsense. There can be more than one baddie.
    - nixon_why69 3mo ago
      Iraq war? Venezuela raid? Libya? Syria? Afghanistan for 20 years? And that's just some of the higher visibility cases. If China had special forces deployed and conducting ops in random African countries it would be a massive aggression. When we do it, it doesn't even make the headlines.
      - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
        > If China had special forces deployed and conducting ops in random African countries it would be a massive aggression It’s literally doing this across its maritime and mountain boundaries! It does cause outrage, albeit less so in mass media.
        barbazoo 3mo ago
        What's a good example you would say?
        nixon_why69 3mo ago
        I think they're referring to occasional fist fights between the Indian and Chinese deployments at the top of the Himalayas where there's a dumb territorial dispute. There were a couple of times decades ago where the forces shot at each other and the governments had to scramble to calm things down and deescalate, so somehow they've reached this gentleman's agreement to have fistfights instead. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sino-Indian_border_dispute We're talking about this kind of thing balancing out, say, Fallujah or shock and awe over Baghdad.
        JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
        > We're talking about this kind of thing balancing out, say, Fallujah or shock and awe over Baghdad Nonsense. For that comparison you’d look to the invasion and annexation of Tibet. (And it’s not ancient history if it’s currently endorsed and un-apologized for.)