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Ask yourself, who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? There is some blame on all sides for

by Tostino 3mo ago

Ask yourself, who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? There is some blame on all sides for sure, not saying it's black and white...but come on.

GlickWick 3mo ago
I think the major destabilizing force is the country that has been building the infrastructure for a hot war over Taiwan for the last decade while simultaneously blatantly funding the conquest of Ukraine. The US stupidly withdrawing from the world stage is definitely making this worse, of course, but it is not the catalyst. It's unfortunately a very likely side effect of a social media campaign by the same actor to make said hot war easier to win.
- henry2023 3mo ago
  Hey, we started another war and are funding the most destabilizing force in the world but look at this theoretical war …
- p-e-w 3mo ago
  In the decade during which you claim China has been preparing for a hot war, the United States invaded multiple countries and waged hot wars on three continents. It’s ridiculous to compare China to the US when it comes to warmongering. They’re not even in the same ballpark.
  - GlickWick 3mo ago
    Yeah, the US is not an incredible actor, but China is funding the most brutal war in modern history (the invasion of Ukraine) in order to provide a smokescreen for their own invasion.
    - tsimionescu 3mo ago
      The Ukraine war is large and terrible, but its nowhere near comparable in brutality to the genocide in Gaza, that the US is funding, providing weapons for, and protecting diplomatically.
      - Swoerd 3mo ago
        [dead]
- 4wsn 3mo ago
  It's literally on their border and the history is akin to if The South established its own nation state in Cuba after the Civil War and China became its ally. At least admit the double standard. I don't mind realpolitik but it's so tedious when it's not plainly stated and there's this veneer of civility. Yes, the US is allowed to do whatever it wants to in South America. No, other nation states don't have a sphere of geographic influence if the US doesn't want them to.
  - stickfigure 3mo ago
    Taiwan has been self governing for longer than almost everyone that lives there has been alive. It's also a vibrant democracy. If you care about democracy and human rights, it's morally reprehensible NOT to support Taiwan. We can debate the ethics of intervening in strongman dictatorships like Venezuela, Cuba, or Iran, but Taiwan is clear.
    - doctorwho42 3mo ago
      Cool, and it's morally reprehensible to NOT support drastic action to curb the worst effects of climate change, and start trying our very best to prepare our children and grandchildren for an adulthood where they will be clawing back minor things we take for granted even in today's world of regular continent spanning forest fire smoke pollution.
    - 4wsn 3mo ago
      "Democracy and human rights", "strongman dictatorships". Dear God this rhetoric has aged like milk. I can't believe we ever fell for it.
- duplessitous 3mo ago
  Despite withdrawing from our role on the world stage, we have in no way adapted isolationist like policies. We kidnapped the leader of another country, we are bombing Iran with impunity and will begin striking civilian infrastructure as a response to terrorist within that country, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/22/trump-iran-bomb-strait-hormuz/91006801007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/22/trum... China didn't make us do this any more than they made us bomb civilian fishing boats in South America. We are a major destabilizing force at the moment, China existing does not somehow negate the actions we take of our own free will. Refusing to acknowledge our role in destabilizing the globe at the moment is a level of infantilization that I, and many others, find unacceptable. We are all adults, China is responsible for their role and the US is responsible for its role. A social media campaign is not forcing the folks in Washington to drop bombs on Iranian civilian infrastructure, the jack asses in Washington did all of this on their own
  - GlickWick 3mo ago
    Nobody is refusing to acknowledge our role in destabilizing things. This is a thread about why the US might be afraid of an also bad-actor rival funding a huge proxy war against it controlling major technology.
    - duplessitous 3mo ago
      I mean if you want to get back on the topic of this thread, it has nothing to do with what you just said. The thread started by discussing AI distillation and this was your initial comment, just to get us back on track > Our biggest geopolitical rival that's been threatening a hot war also distilling the things we build is not a good thing They didn't distill Fable, it is impossible on any timeline. So where do we go next, the start of this thread is a complete dead-end as it is asserting a falsehood This was the comment i responded to so we can get back on track to that comment if you'd like > I think the major destabilizing force is the country that has been building the infrastructure for a hot war over Taiwan for the last decade while simultaneously blatantly funding the conquest of Ukraine. We are refusing to aid Ukraine and actively antagonize their leader. We are kidnapping leaders from other countries. We are bombing civilian infrastructure. We are the major destabilizing force, not the one planning a hypothetical invasion
JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
> who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? All of them. Pretending there is a benevolent bully among Russia, China and America is baseless. This is probably the strongest moral argument for open-weight models. It decouples AI, somewhat, from military-industrial might.
- barbazoo 3mo ago
  This is proof the US propaganda is working. How much damage has China done recently militarily?
  - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
    > This is proof the US propaganda is working This is a thought-terminating cliche. (The folks telling you to stop being sheeple are unusually consistently claimed independent thinkers.) > How much damage has China done recently militarily? Exempting the Iran war, which has no justification, as much as America. We’re both backing proxies. (Though we’ve had a while since we shot at or annexed our neighbours.)
    - advael 3mo ago
      It seems pretty silly to answer a question about military intervention by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted
      - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
        > by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted I’m not. I’m saying exempting that, we have an even field of conflict mongering. Counting Iran, the field is biased, but we have significant sampling-timing issues for something like “is there war.” China has violently annexed sovereign countries in the past decades. Its threats to do the same again are at least as serious as Trump’s Greenland nonsense. There can be more than one baddie.
johnsmith1840 3mo ago
Almost all current world events as of now are directly tied to the fact that the west is in active freakout mode over china building a army large enough to attack the entire world. Iran and venuzuela are a direct response to it. 1. China is actively genociding an entire ethnic people. 2. They are actively building a military larger and faster than any country on earth in all of history. 3. They are actively threatening ALL of their neighbors with war. Actively attacking their ships and building military bases in other countries territory. 4. China's open stated goals are to conquer and control its neighbors and every single step over the last 10 years is proof of that.
- OrvalWintermute 3mo ago
  You left out the bodypart business they are now in too.

by Tostino 3mo ago

GlickWick 3mo ago

I think the major destabilizing force is the country that has been building the infrastructure for a hot war over Taiwan for the last decade while simultaneously blatantly funding the conquest of Ukraine. The US stupidly withdrawing from the world stage is definitely making this worse, of course, but it is not the catalyst. It's unfortunately a very likely side effect of a social media campaign by the same actor to make said hot war easier to win.

henry2023 3mo ago
Hey, we started another war and are funding the most destabilizing force in the world but look at this theoretical war …
p-e-w 3mo ago
In the decade during which you claim China has been preparing for a hot war, the United States invaded multiple countries and waged hot wars on three continents. It’s ridiculous to compare China to the US when it comes to warmongering. They’re not even in the same ballpark.
- GlickWick 3mo ago
  Yeah, the US is not an incredible actor, but China is funding the most brutal war in modern history (the invasion of Ukraine) in order to provide a smokescreen for their own invasion.
  - tsimionescu 3mo ago
    The Ukraine war is large and terrible, but its nowhere near comparable in brutality to the genocide in Gaza, that the US is funding, providing weapons for, and protecting diplomatically.
    - Swoerd 3mo ago
      [dead]
4wsn 3mo ago
It's literally on their border and the history is akin to if The South established its own nation state in Cuba after the Civil War and China became its ally. At least admit the double standard. I don't mind realpolitik but it's so tedious when it's not plainly stated and there's this veneer of civility. Yes, the US is allowed to do whatever it wants to in South America. No, other nation states don't have a sphere of geographic influence if the US doesn't want them to.
- stickfigure 3mo ago
  Taiwan has been self governing for longer than almost everyone that lives there has been alive. It's also a vibrant democracy. If you care about democracy and human rights, it's morally reprehensible NOT to support Taiwan. We can debate the ethics of intervening in strongman dictatorships like Venezuela, Cuba, or Iran, but Taiwan is clear.
  - doctorwho42 3mo ago
    Cool, and it's morally reprehensible to NOT support drastic action to curb the worst effects of climate change, and start trying our very best to prepare our children and grandchildren for an adulthood where they will be clawing back minor things we take for granted even in today's world of regular continent spanning forest fire smoke pollution.
  - 4wsn 3mo ago
    "Democracy and human rights", "strongman dictatorships". Dear God this rhetoric has aged like milk. I can't believe we ever fell for it.
duplessitous 3mo ago
Despite withdrawing from our role on the world stage, we have in no way adapted isolationist like policies. We kidnapped the leader of another country, we are bombing Iran with impunity and will begin striking civilian infrastructure as a response to terrorist within that country, https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/22/trump-iran-bomb-strait-hormuz/91006801007/ https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2026/07/22/trum... China didn't make us do this any more than they made us bomb civilian fishing boats in South America. We are a major destabilizing force at the moment, China existing does not somehow negate the actions we take of our own free will. Refusing to acknowledge our role in destabilizing the globe at the moment is a level of infantilization that I, and many others, find unacceptable. We are all adults, China is responsible for their role and the US is responsible for its role. A social media campaign is not forcing the folks in Washington to drop bombs on Iranian civilian infrastructure, the jack asses in Washington did all of this on their own
- GlickWick 3mo ago
  Nobody is refusing to acknowledge our role in destabilizing things. This is a thread about why the US might be afraid of an also bad-actor rival funding a huge proxy war against it controlling major technology.
  - duplessitous 3mo ago
    I mean if you want to get back on the topic of this thread, it has nothing to do with what you just said. The thread started by discussing AI distillation and this was your initial comment, just to get us back on track > Our biggest geopolitical rival that's been threatening a hot war also distilling the things we build is not a good thing They didn't distill Fable, it is impossible on any timeline. So where do we go next, the start of this thread is a complete dead-end as it is asserting a falsehood This was the comment i responded to so we can get back on track to that comment if you'd like > I think the major destabilizing force is the country that has been building the infrastructure for a hot war over Taiwan for the last decade while simultaneously blatantly funding the conquest of Ukraine. We are refusing to aid Ukraine and actively antagonize their leader. We are kidnapping leaders from other countries. We are bombing civilian infrastructure. We are the major destabilizing force, not the one planning a hypothetical invasion

JumpCrisscross 3mo ago

> who seems to be the destabilizing force if you take a step back and look at the state of things objectively? All of them. Pretending there is a benevolent bully among Russia, China and America is baseless. This is probably the strongest moral argument for open-weight models. It decouples AI, somewhat, from military-industrial might.

barbazoo 3mo ago
This is proof the US propaganda is working. How much damage has China done recently militarily?
- JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
  > This is proof the US propaganda is working This is a thought-terminating cliche. (The folks telling you to stop being sheeple are unusually consistently claimed independent thinkers.) > How much damage has China done recently militarily? Exempting the Iran war, which has no justification, as much as America. We’re both backing proxies. (Though we’ve had a while since we shot at or annexed our neighbours.)
  - advael 3mo ago
    It seems pretty silly to answer a question about military intervention by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted
    - JumpCrisscross 3mo ago
      > by insisting that the major instance of military intervention by a world power that's happened in the last year shouldn't be counted I’m not. I’m saying exempting that, we have an even field of conflict mongering. Counting Iran, the field is biased, but we have significant sampling-timing issues for something like “is there war.” China has violently annexed sovereign countries in the past decades. Its threats to do the same again are at least as serious as Trump’s Greenland nonsense. There can be more than one baddie.

johnsmith1840 3mo ago

Almost all current world events as of now are directly tied to the fact that the west is in active freakout mode over china building a army large enough to attack the entire world. Iran and venuzuela are a direct response to it. 1. China is actively genociding an entire ethnic people. 2. They are actively building a military larger and faster than any country on earth in all of history. 3. They are actively threatening ALL of their neighbors with war. Actively attacking their ships and building military bases in other countries territory. 4. China's open stated goals are to conquer and control its neighbors and every single step over the last 10 years is proof of that.

OrvalWintermute 3mo ago
You left out the bodypart business they are now in too.