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Fairphone 6 does not fulfill the hardware requirements (secure enclave, MTE, etc.), nor software requirements (monthly firmware updates, etc.). So there is noth
by microtonal 3mo ago
Fairphone 6 does not fulfill the hardware requirements (secure enclave, MTE, etc.), nor software requirements (monthly firmware updates, etc.). So there is nothing that GrapheneOS can do at this point. The ball is in Fairphone's court if they want this, but Fairphone seems more interested to cooperate with /e/OS, whose CEO proclaims security hardening is for pedophiles and spies (thereby fueling the narratives that support chat control and such nonsense).
One of the underlying reasons is probably that the Fairphone hardware and software is developed/maintained by a Chinese ODM (T2Mobile), so the question is if Fairphone even has the know-how to make such a phone. Heck, they have failed to fix bugs that have been plaguing people for months (e.g. regular dropping of all connections when using IPv6 on certain routers).
Motorola is going to make devices that fulfill the requirements and GrapheneOS is cooperating with them.
- stymaar 3mo ago[flagged]
- bornfreddy 3mo ago[flagged]
- microtonal 3mo agoYou conveniently picked a different quote. From the horse's mouth: "Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice." "However, we do not have a "hardened security" approach, we are not developing a phone for pedophiles so that they can escape justice." Also see: https://infosec.exchange/@Xtreix/116356764298456420 https://infosec.exchange/@Xtreix/116356764298456420
- UnreachableCode 3mo agoIt's pretty insulting to be called a pedophile for wanting privacy from bad actors.
- stymaar 3mo agoThe “only for pedo and spies” quote is still wrong no matter how you twist it, as illustrated above.
- microtonal 3mo agoI have no idea what you are talking about. Let's end it here. People can look up the source material and make their own judgment.
- stymaar 3mo agoWhen someone says “features that are clearly valuable for executives and others” you can't claim he said it's “just for pedo and spies”, even he also said it'd also be useful for pedo and spies. That's just plain bad faith.
- microtonal 3mo agoThe quote Par contre, on a pas une approche "sécurité durcie", on développe pas un téléphone pour les pédo(bip) pour qu'ils puissent échapper à la justice. is literally in the linked video. I encourage everyone who does not speak French to put it in their favorite translator. He literally says However, we do not have a hardened security approach, we are not developing a phone for pedophiles so that they can escape justice. It is very clear what he is implying here, namely what I said in my original message. He has repeatedly done so in various publications. E.g.: https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-interview.html https://www.clubic.com/actualite-604786-murena-e-os-intervie... Mais surtout, il ne faut pas se tromper de combat : /e/OS permet à ses utilisateurs d’échapper à la collecte massive de données personnelles qui s’opère dans les smartphones du marché, pas d’aider les pédocriminels à passer sous les radars de la justice. Translation: But above all, we must not fight the wrong battle: /e/OS allows its users to escape the massive collection of personal data that takes place in smartphones on the market, not to help pedophiles to slip under the radar of justice. He repeatedly implicaties that only sex offenders need a security-hardened phone. If we wasn't trying to throw a shade at GrapheneOS and other more secure systems, why does he continuously associate device security with pedophiles?
- inigyou 3mo agoAt this point in time any open source phone is a great improvement. Theoretically, we can add the security features ourselves.
- microtonal 3mo agoDepends what you mean by open source phone, do you mean open hardware? If not, you cannot retroactively add MTE or a secure enclave. Even if it was open hardware, it is kinda hard to do small production runs.
- inigyou 3mo agoGraphene demands one, but you don't have to.
- microtonal 3mo agoSure, but then you have to run a different OS. That's completely fine of course, between Graphene, Sailfish, etc. there is a lot of interesting stuff happening.
- inigyou 3mo agoThe most important part of Graphene for most users isn't the super security - it's that it fights for the user, not for some corporation.
- microtonal 3mo agoYeah, but I thing the best security is very important to the GrapheneOS developers, so I don't think they will ever compromise on MTE (except pre-Pixel 8) and a secure enclave. Of course, someone could fork GrapheneOS to support phones that don't fulfill the requirement. Also, I think fighting for the user is also true for e.g. LineageOS. As far as I know they are also a non-profit.
- 3mo ago